Biggest Grossing Tours Of All Time

[Moggio]

It's not his fault, he doesn't comprehend the difference between the two words.

It's not your fault...you've got U2 disease.

 

[Moggio]

Even if Muse were able to triple their demand level in Sao Paulo since 2008, they would be able to gross $675,000 there in 2011 with their own show, their own stage, their own ticket prices and a full setlist. And Jesus, that would still be 1% of what U2 360° has grossed in Sao Paulo.

Openers are incredibly irrelevant.

WOW, thats a stark contrast from the so called average of 10% that were supposed to expect. One could argue that their impact in Sao Paulo based on the factual information we have was as little as 3/10's of 1%.

Each one of these Sao Paulo shows had 90,000 people. U2 could have easily added a fourth show say at a 45,000 seat stadium, and some think they could have done a 4th show in the 90,000 seat stadium. U2 is not gaining anything by having Muse open for them in Sao Paolo, but clearly Muse has benefited substantially. On their last visit, they played in front of 3,000 people. This time Muse was exposed to 270,000 people over 3 nights.

They DID at least triple their demand level in the past few years. And it's nowhere near 1% of the Sao Paulo shows' gross. You're conveniently forgetting to include inflation in that $675,000 figure. And you're also forgetting Rio Muse fans didn't get a show...and obviously a certain percentage traveled to Sao Paulo to see them. So, it's at least 4%, actually. And hence, how could you say Muse's opening draw is irrelevant since they brought in well over $1 million to these 3 shows?

 

[Moggio]

So you presented facts using logic.....be prepared to be called ignorant and your facts will be refuted with "theories" & "opinions".

You're not a fan of reality, I take it?

 

[Moggio]

Thanks for posting FACTS Maoil. Anything else is pure speculation or a biased view towards U2. If The Rolling Stones tour again and out gross the 360 tour, then I would have no problem admitting they are the biggest touring act in the world. I would not waist my time trying to come up with some out of this world theory to try and prove that they are not..lol Currently, U2 is currently the largest touring act in the world which the numbers prove it as a FACT. People can try to come up with that excuse or some other crazy theory as to why U2 isn't the biggest touring act in the world, but obviously they are. Even the music and touring industry admits they are. The people who know more about this than any of us do admit it..lol To think otherwise is insanity.

This is why you're ignorant when it comes to this subject, no offense. What The Stones (or many other artists) can and/or will gross in the future, is relatively ALREADY KNOWN. And if you'd studied this as much as Maoil, U2FanPeter or I have, you'd already know that. Not only do you not see how Maoil is manipulating the FACTS. But you also don't notice that he knows damn well The Stones are still the largest drawing active band on the planet. But of course, he continues to blur the lines in U2's favour.

 

[spookyz]

"Just a flesh wound", huh?

 

[spookyz]

Hardly. Funny you don't include the other artists U2 have utilized to help sell tix in the above equation.

Here we go:

27 shows: Snow Patrol
17 shows: Interpol
16 shows Muse
10 shows: Jay-Z
7 shows: The Hours
5 shows: Black Eyed Peas
4 shows: Lenny Kravitz
4 shows: OneRepublic
4 shows: Glasvegas
4 shows: The Fray
4 shows: Florence And The Machine
3 shows: Kasabian
3 shows: Kaiser Chiefs
2 shows: Amadou & Mariam
2 shows: Springbok Nude Girls
2 shows: Elbow
2 shows: Razorlight
1 show: Carney
1 show: Arcade Fire
1 show: The Script
1 show: Damien Dempsey
1 show: Republic Of Loose
1 show: Bell X1
1 show: Aviv Geffen

Just give as your estimations for every opening act and their their average impact on the gross figures of the shows, they opened for U2. Here are mine:

27 shows: Snow Patrol 3%
17 shows: Interpol 1%
16 shows Muse 4%
10 shows: Jay-Z 10%
7 shows: The Hours 0%
5 shows: Black Eyed Peas 10%
4 shows: Lenny Kravitz 0,5%
4 shows: OneRepublic 1%
4 shows: Glasvegas 3%
4 shows: The Fray 1%
4 shows: Florence And The Machine 0%
3 shows: Kasabian 0,5%
3 shows: Kaiser Chiefs 1%
2 shows: Amadou & Mariam 0,5%
2 shows: Springbok Nude Girls 0,5%
2 shows: Elbow 4%
2 shows: Razorlight 4%
1 show: Carney 0%
1 show: Arcade Fire 10%
1 show: The Script 4%
1 show: Damien Dempsey 0%
1 show: Republic Of Loose 0%
1 show: Bell X1 0%
1 show: Aviv Geffen 0%

Overall that would be 2.9%

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Fixed.

Except I didn't say that I knew anything about concert business.

And your hideous blue writing is hideous.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

. The Stones would've easily grossed over $300 million on the UK/European legs of their A Bigger Bang tour, if it were heavily strategically scheduled. There's no, ifs, ands or buts about it.


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Well, then it should be easy for you to show us how that would happen. So lets see the individual grosses per market showing how the Stones could have grossed over $300 million in Europe on a tour scheduled like 360. I explained in detail why this couldn't happen. If you can't do the same to defend your claim, then its nothing but HOT AIR!



Here is my generous estimate for the Stones A Bigger Bang Scheduled like 360:

ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 1ST LEG

Barcelona GROSS: $15,420,000 ATTENDANCE: 128,500
Milan GROSS: $6,724,783 ATTENDANCE: 83,471
Paris GROSS: $8,830,795 ATTENDANCE: 90,057
Nice GROSS: $6,230,795 ATTENDANCE: 74,178
Berlin GROSS: $6,872,182 ATTENDANCE: 72,285
Amsterdam GROSS: $8,459,711 ATTENDANCE: 77,297
Dublin GROSS: $8,056,927 ATTENDANCE: 68,647
Gothenburg GROSS: $15,425,238 ATTENDANCE: 112,762
Gelsenkirchen GROSS: $7,031,025 ATTENDANCE: 64,938
Chorzow GROSS: $8,400,000 ATTENDANCE: 70,000
Zagreb GROSS: $12,700,784 ATTENDANCE: 124,102
London GROSS: $13,526,368 ATTENDANCE: 100,540
Glasgow GROSS: $4,022,000 ATTENDANCE: 31,495
Sheffield GROSS: $4,596,417 ATTENDANCE: 34,034
Cardiff GROSS: $5,534,100 ATTENDANCE: 48,988

TOTAL GROSS: $131,831,125
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,181,294


ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 2ND LEG


Turin GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Frankfurt GROSS: $6,633,462 ATTENDANCE: 50,399
Hannover GROSS: $5,639,468 ATTENDANCE: 54,265
Horsens GROSS: $12,122,575 ATTENDANCE: 105,170
Helsinki GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Moscow GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Vienna GROSS: $5,732,158 ATTENDANCE: 58,998
Athens GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Istanbul GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Zurich GROSS: $9,975,799 ATTENDANCE: 83,188
Munich GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Paris GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Brussels GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
San Sebastian GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Seville GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Coimbra GROSS: $5,384,200 ATTENDANCE: 65,854
Rome GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775

TOTAL GROSS: 110,148,995
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,031,399


Combined totals for the two legs strategically scheduled like U2 360 for the Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang:

TOTAL GROSS: 241,980,120
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 2,212,693


Come on MOGGIO, explain to us how the Stones get to over $300 million with A Bigger Bang scheduled like 360. I can't see how they could at all, and if you can't explain for us otherwise, then you obviously agree with me, even though you won't admit it.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

You know how concert demand works, just as well as I do. And you know Muse's draw has increased rapidly in the past few years WORLDWIDE. STOP MESSING AROUND.

Well Mr. Objectivity, lets see some evidence of your claims. Just show us one piece of evidence from SOUTH AMERICA that would support your claim that Muse is an arena act there and has had their popularity trippled since 2008. No bullshit extrapolations from other parts of the world please. This is South America, NOT London England.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Just a FACTUAL reminder that you're, ONCE AGAIN, comparing a HEAVILY strategically scheduled tour with two pre-HEAVILY strategically scheduled tours.

Do you have a better FACTUAL comparison to make? Lets see it.

Don't worry, we know your claims for Madonna's and the Stones next tours. Both artist will have to gross $8,000,000 PLUS per show to meet your estimates. It won't happen no matter what Madonna does, and it won't happen for the Stones either unless they announce the next tour as their "FINAL TOUR".

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Hardly. Funny you don't include the other artists U2 have utilized to help sell tix in the above equation.

Nope, everyone's included, but none of them are bringing in the 10% figure that you have so often claimed and with some bringing in less than 1%, its obvious the average is at most 5% and probably lower.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

They DID at least triple their demand level in the past few years. And it's nowhere near 1% of the Sao Paulo shows' gross. You're conveniently forgetting to include inflation in that $675,000 figure. And you're also forgetting Rio Muse fans didn't get a show...and obviously a certain percentage traveled to Sao Paulo to see them. So, it's at least 4%, actually. And hence, how could you say Muse's opening draw is irrelevant since they brought in well over $1 million to these 3 shows?

Again, show us one piece of evidence, from SOUTH AMERICA, showing that Muse's popularity there has tripled or even doubled since 2008!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

This is why you're ignorant when it comes to this subject, no offense. What The Stones (or many other artists) can and/or will gross in the future, is relatively ALREADY KNOWN. And if you'd studied this as much as Maoil, U2FanPeter or I have, you'd already know that. Not only do you not see how Maoil is manipulating the FACTS. But you also don't notice that he knows damn well The Stones are still the largest drawing active band on the planet. But of course, he continues to blur the lines in U2's favour.

I just take the Billboard Boxscore reports and post them. Just the facts. The Blurring and stretching comes when you introduce un-substantiated theory's(the impact of openers, the impact of strategic scheduling) to adjust what has been factually reported.

My first leg North America prediction for U2 360 was $125 million. Thats virtually what it was within $2.5 million of the actual result.

Your prediction was $105 million. But months later, with new theories in hand you blur and stretch your prediction to make it closer to mine and the real results.

Moggio predictions for U2 360 in North America:

City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price

September

12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million /$96)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$13 million/$93)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million /$82)
24, 25, 27 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (3 shows...240,000/Sold Out/$19.5 million /$81)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (92,000/Sold Out/$6.5 million/$71)

October

1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (62,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (57,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (67,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$67)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (65,000/54,000/$3.5 million/$65)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (80,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/31,000/$2 million/$65)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$71.50)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (37,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$122)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (95,000/Sold Out/11.5 million/$121)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (60,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$92)

This leg should gross over $105 million.



Maoilbheannacht predictions for U2 360 tour in North America:

City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price

September

12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$12 million /$100)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million/$100)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...140,000/Sold Out/$14 million /$100)
24, 25 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (2 shows...160,000/Sold Out/$16.1 million /$100.68)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (92,000/Sold Out/$9.2 million/$99.53)

October

1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (62,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (57,000/45,000/$3.6 million/$80)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (67,000/Sold Out/$6.3 million/$95)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (65,000/55,000/$5.2 million/$95)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (80,000/55,000/$5.4 million/$97.70)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (70,000/45,000/$4.3 million/$95)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (82,000/50,000/$4 million/$80)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (63,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$95)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (37,000/Sold Out/$4.5 million/$122)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (95,000/Sold Out/9.5 million/$100)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (60,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$100)


Total gross $125.5 million from 20 shows.






RESULTS FOR U2 360 NORTH AMERICA 1ST LEG

City/Venue/Capacity/Tickets Sold/Gross/Average Ticket Price

September

12, 13 Chicago - Soldier Field (2 shows...135,872/Sold Out/$13,860,480/$102.01)
16, 17 Toronto - Rogers Centre (2 shows...115,411/Sold Out/$9,571,672/$82.94)
20, 21 Foxboro, MA (Boston) - Gillette Stadium (2 shows...138,805/Sold Out/$12,859,778/$92.65)
24, 25 E. Rutherford, NJ (NYC metro area) - Giants Stadium (2 shows...161,810/Sold Out/$16,128,950/ $99.68)
29 Washington, DC - FedEx Field (84,754/Sold Out/$6,718,315/$79.27)

October

1 Charlottesville, VA - Scott Stadium (52,433/Sold Out/$4,738,695/$90.38)
3 Raleigh - Carter Finley Stadium (55,027/Sold Out/$4,962,240/$90.18)
6 Atlanta - Georgia Dome (61,419/Sold Out/$5,746,430/$93.56)
9 Tampa - Raymond James Stadium (72,688/Sold Out/$6,399,375/$88.04)
12 Dallas - Cowboys Stadium (70,766/Sold Out/$6,664,880/$94.18)
14 Houston - Reliant Stadium (58,328/Sold Out/$5,985,101/$102.61)
19 Norman, OK (Oklahoma City area) - University Memorial Stadium (50,951/Sold Out/$4,395,085/$86.26)
20 Glendale, AZ (Phoenix) - University Of Phoenix Stadium (50,775/Sold Out/$4,912,050 /$96.74)
23 Las Vegas - Sam Boyd Stadium (42,213/Sold Out/$4,641,280/$109.95)
25 Pasadena, CA (LA metro area) - Rose Bowl (97,014 /Sold Out/$9,960,036/$102.67)
28 Vancouver - BC Place Stadium (63,802/Sold Out/$5,748,919 /$90.11)


Total gross: $123,293,286
Total attendance: 1,312,068
Shows: 20
Sellouts: 20

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Hey just found the original post where MOGGIO made his FIRST LEG prediction for U2 360 in NORTH AMERICA. Guess what, it also has 2nd leg predictions for U2 360 in NORTH AMERICA.

So, here are MOGGIO's 2nd leg predictions for NORTH AMERICA:

July - August 2010

Winnipeg - Canad Inns Stadium (55,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$109)
Edmonton - Commonwealth Stadium (2 shows...120,000/Sold Out/$11.5 million/$96)
Seattle - Qwest Field (65,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$85)
Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (47,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)
Oakland - Alameda County Stadium (65,000/Sold Out/$7 million /$108)
San Diego - Qualcomm Stadium (70,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$86)
Denver - Invesco Field (75,000/57,000/$3.7 million/$65)
Minneapolis - Metrodome (64,000/34,000/$2.2 million/$65)
Madison - Camp Randall Stadium (81,000/77,000/$5 million/$65)
St. Louis - Edward James Dome (66,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
Miami - Dolphins Stadium (75,000/Sold Out/$5 million/$67)
Detroit - Ford Field (65,000/Sold Out/$5 million/$77)
Cleveland - Browns Stadium (73,000/34,000/$2.2 million/$65)
Montreal - Olympic Stadium (65,000/Sold Out/$6 million/$92)
Halifax - Commons (80,000/46,000/$3 million/$65)
Pittsburgh - Heinz Field (65,000/28,000/$1.8 million/$65)
Hartford - Rentschler Field (2 shows…80,000/Sold Out/$5.5 million/$69)
Philadelphia - Lincoln Financial Field (2 shows…140,000/Sold Out/$9.5 million/$68)
Syracuse - Carrier Dome (50,000/26,000/$1.7 million/$65)


This leg should gross over $90 million.

This posting was from March 16, 2009 and can be found here:

http://www.u2interference.com/forum...tadiums-in-the-usa-195179-13.html#post6003917


MOGGIO has some large Whoppers with his 2nd leg predictions. Check them out:

Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (capacity - 47,000/ attendance - 26,000/ Gross - $1.7 million/$65)
Denver - Invesco Field (capacity - 75,000/ attendance - 57,000/ Gross - $3.7 million/$65)
Minneapolis - Metrodome (capacity - 64,000/ attendance - 34,000/ Gross - $2.2 million/$65)
St. Louis - Edward James Dome (capacity - 66,000/ attendance - 28,000/ Gross - $1.8 million/$65)
Pittsburgh - Heinz Field (capacity - 65,000/ attendance - 28,000/ Gross - $1.8 million/$65)


Its gonna be pretty funny to compare the REAL results this summer with MOGGIO's predictions for the 5 markets above! LOL

Plus remember, this prediction was made with full knowledge of how the 1st leg of 360 was being Scheduled, using "strategic scheduling". So MOGGIO can't be arguing this prediction was before Strategic Scheduling. LOL These predictions are almost as funny as MOGGIO's Dallas, Houston, Norman, Raleigh, and Charlotesville predictions from the first leg.

Also, MOGGIO predicts only a $90 million gross for the 2nd leg! LOL

The Minneapolis result is really funny because that show soldout in less than 1 hour on the initial ticket sales day!

 

[Moggio]

Here we go:

27 shows: Snow Patrol
17 shows: Interpol
16 shows Muse
10 shows: Jay-Z
7 shows: The Hours
5 shows: Black Eyed Peas
4 shows: Lenny Kravitz
4 shows: OneRepublic
4 shows: Glasvegas
4 shows: The Fray
4 shows: Florence And The Machine
3 shows: Kasabian
3 shows: Kaiser Chiefs
2 shows: Amadou & Mariam
2 shows: Springbok Nude Girls
2 shows: Elbow
2 shows: Razorlight
1 show: Carney
1 show: Arcade Fire
1 show: The Script
1 show: Damien Dempsey
1 show: Republic Of Loose
1 show: Bell X1
1 show: Aviv Geffen

Just give as your estimations for every opening act and their their average impact on the gross figures of the shows, they opened for U2. Here are mine:

27 shows: Snow Patrol 3%
17 shows: Interpol 1%
16 shows Muse 4%
10 shows: Jay-Z 10%
7 shows: The Hours 0%
5 shows: Black Eyed Peas 10%
4 shows: Lenny Kravitz 0,5%
4 shows: OneRepublic 1%
4 shows: Glasvegas 3%
4 shows: The Fray 1%
4 shows: Florence And The Machine 0%
3 shows: Kasabian 0,5%
3 shows: Kaiser Chiefs 1%
2 shows: Amadou & Mariam 0,5%
2 shows: Springbok Nude Girls 0,5%
2 shows: Elbow 4%
2 shows: Razorlight 4%
1 show: Carney 0%
1 show: Arcade Fire 10%
1 show: The Script 4%
1 show: Damien Dempsey 0%
1 show: Republic Of Loose 0%
1 show: Bell X1 0%
1 show: Aviv Geffen 0%

Overall that would be 2.9%

EVERY SINGLE ONE of those estimations are low-balled, especially since EVERY artist opening for U2 has an audience that comes to their shows. So the artists you gave 0% to, deserves a...

 

[Moggio]

Except I didn't say that I knew anything about concert business.

Again, I didn't say you did.

And your hideous blue writing is hideous.

Tell someone who cares.

 

[Moggio]

Well, then it should be easy for you to show us how that would happen. So lets see the individual grosses per market showing how the Stones could have grossed over $300 million in Europe on a tour scheduled like 360. I explained in detail why this couldn't happen. If you can't do the same to defend your claim, then its nothing but HOT AIR!



Here is my generous estimate for the Stones A Bigger Bang Scheduled like 360:

ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 1ST LEG

Barcelona GROSS: $15,420,000 ATTENDANCE: 128,500
Milan GROSS: $6,724,783 ATTENDANCE: 83,471
Paris GROSS: $8,830,795 ATTENDANCE: 90,057
Nice GROSS: $6,230,795 ATTENDANCE: 74,178
Berlin GROSS: $6,872,182 ATTENDANCE: 72,285
Amsterdam GROSS: $8,459,711 ATTENDANCE: 77,297
Dublin GROSS: $8,056,927 ATTENDANCE: 68,647
Gothenburg GROSS: $15,425,238 ATTENDANCE: 112,762
Gelsenkirchen GROSS: $7,031,025 ATTENDANCE: 64,938
Chorzow GROSS: $8,400,000 ATTENDANCE: 70,000
Zagreb GROSS: $12,700,784 ATTENDANCE: 124,102
London GROSS: $13,526,368 ATTENDANCE: 100,540
Glasgow GROSS: $4,022,000 ATTENDANCE: 31,495
Sheffield GROSS: $4,596,417 ATTENDANCE: 34,034
Cardiff GROSS: $5,534,100 ATTENDANCE: 48,988

TOTAL GROSS: $131,831,125
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,181,294


ROLLING STONES "Strategically Scheduled" A Bigger Bang Tour Europe 2ND LEG


Turin GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Frankfurt GROSS: $6,633,462 ATTENDANCE: 50,399
Hannover GROSS: $5,639,468 ATTENDANCE: 54,265
Horsens GROSS: $12,122,575 ATTENDANCE: 105,170
Helsinki GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Moscow GROSS: $5,878,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Vienna GROSS: $5,732,158 ATTENDANCE: 58,998
Athens GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Istanbul GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Zurich GROSS: $9,975,799 ATTENDANCE: 83,188
Munich GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Paris GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Brussels GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
San Sebastian GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Seville GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775
Coimbra GROSS: $5,384,200 ATTENDANCE: 65,854
Rome GROSS: $5,873,303 ATTENDANCE: 55,775

TOTAL GROSS: 110,148,995
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 1,031,399


Combined totals for the two legs strategically scheduled like U2 360 for the Rolling Stones A Bigger Bang:

TOTAL GROSS: 241,980,120
TOTAL ATTENDANCE: 2,212,693


Come on MOGGIO, explain to us how the Stones get to over $300 million with A Bigger Bang scheduled like 360. I can't see how they could at all, and if you can't explain for us otherwise, then you obviously agree with me, even though you won't admit it.

Like I said, I'm not going to play your stupid little games. This is all you have to know: The Stones would've easily grossed over $300 million on the UK/European legs of their A Bigger Bang tour, if it were heavily strategically scheduled. There's no, ifs, ands or buts about it. And NOTHING you can state detracts from the fact that The Stones are still the largest drawing active band on the planet, even if "your" estimations are correct. Which, of course they're not.

 

[Moggio]

Well Mr. Objectivity, lets see some evidence of your claims. Just show us one piece of evidence from SOUTH AMERICA that would support your claim that Muse is an arena act there and has had their popularity trippled since 2008. No bullshit extrapolations from other parts of the world please. This is South America, NOT London England.

Again, show us one piece of evidence, from SOUTH AMERICA, showing that Muse's popularity there has tripled or even doubled since 2008!

The proof is each day their overall album sales increase. But then come to think of it, was there any photographic evidence that the Titanic sank, at THAT point in time? Because if there wasn't, then according to you, there's no proof it actually did!

South America is a HUGE rock market and I can't even think of ONE artist that does well in other parts of the world, that doesn't do just as well in South America, if not better.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

 

[Moggio]

Do you have a better FACTUAL comparison to make? Lets see it.

You obviously haven't read this thread thoroughly enough, have you?

Don't worry, we know your claims for Madonna's and the Stones next tours. Both artist will have to gross $8,000,000 PLUS per show to meet your estimates. It won't happen no matter what Madonna does, and it won't happen for the Stones either unless they announce the next tour as their "FINAL TOUR".

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

 

[Moggio]

Nope, everyone's included, but none of them are bringing in the 10% figure that you have so often claimed and with some bringing in less than 1%, its obvious the average is at most 5% and probably lower.

NOW, thanks to spookyz, other artists' estimations have been included (extremely low-balled estimations, I might add). But there weren't any estimations when I stated the above, genius.

 

[Moggio]

I just take the Billboard Boxscore reports and post them. Just the facts. The Blurring and stretching comes when you introduce un-substantiated theory's(the impact of openers, the impact of strategic scheduling) to adjust what has been factually reported.

Nope. The blurring comes from YOU and only YOU. Also, YOU HAVE AGREED THAT STRATEGIC SCHEDULING HAS AN IMPACT, genius.

My first leg North America prediction for U2 360 was $125 million. Thats virtually what it was within $2.5 million of the actual result.

Your prediction was $105 million. But months later, with new theories in hand you blur and stretch your prediction to make it closer to mine and the real results.

ONCE AGAIN, U2's actual result from the first 360 tour North American leg ticket sales gross, is about 10% less than the overall result. I was only roughly $6 million off from that result mainly because my prediction was NOT made when U2 announced the openers for their shows. My prediction was made BEFORE ANY OPENERS WERE ANNOUNCED. You, on the other hand, were actually off by around $14 million. Why do you keep going over this?!

 

[Moggio]

Hey just found the original post where MOGGIO made his FIRST LEG prediction for U2 360 in NORTH AMERICA. Guess what, it also has 2nd leg predictions for U2 360 in NORTH AMERICA.

So, here are MOGGIO's 2nd leg predictions for NORTH AMERICA:



This posting was from March 16, 2009 and can be found here:

http://www.u2interference.com/forum...tadiums-in-the-usa-195179-13.html#post6003917


MOGGIO has some large Whoppers with his 2nd leg predictions. Check them out:

Salt Lake City - Rice Stadium (capacity - 47,000/ attendance - 26,000/ Gross - $1.7 million/$65)
Denver - Invesco Field (capacity - 75,000/ attendance - 57,000/ Gross - $3.7 million/$65)
Minneapolis - Metrodome (capacity - 64,000/ attendance - 34,000/ Gross - $2.2 million/$65)
St. Louis - Edward James Dome (capacity - 66,000/ attendance - 28,000/ Gross - $1.8 million/$65)
Pittsburgh - Heinz Field (capacity - 65,000/ attendance - 28,000/ Gross - $1.8 million/$65)


Its gonna be pretty funny to compare the REAL results this summer with MOGGIO's predictions for the 5 markets above! LOL

Plus remember, this prediction was made with full knowledge of how the 1st leg of 360 was being Scheduled, using "strategic scheduling". So MOGGIO can't be arguing this prediction was before Strategic Scheduling. LOL These predictions are almost as funny as MOGGIO's Dallas, Houston, Norman, Raleigh, and Charlotesville predictions from the first leg.

Also, MOGGIO predicts only a $90 million gross for the 2nd leg! LOL

The Minneapolis result is really funny because that show soldout in less than 1 hour on the initial ticket sales day!

Of course HEAVY strategic scheduling and the choice of openers being utilized still comes into play. YOU KNOW THAT.

1. SLC will have a higher result.

2. Denver will have a higher result but mainly because SLC wasn't announced until MONTHS LATER, which boosted the Denver demand.

3. Minneapolis will have a higher result but mainly because Winnipeg wasn't announced until MONTHS LATER, which boosted the Minneapolis demand.

4. St. Louis will have a higher result but mainly because I scheduled a Wisconsin show.

5. Pittsburgh will have a higher result but mainly because I scheduled an Ohio show.

6. The $90 million gross prediction comes from only 19 shows. So since the second North American leg actually has 25 shows, OF COURSE the gross is going to be HIGHER. Duh!

 

[Axver]

Holy fucking shit, people.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

You two (ohcwutididthar) need to kiss and make up.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

This is all you have to know: The Stones would've easily grossed over $300 million on the UK/European legs of their A Bigger Bang tour, if it were heavily strategically scheduled.

Well then explain it to everyone here so we can see how such a wild claim is possible. Why are you so scared to go into detail about something you claim to be so sure about?

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Of course HEAVY strategic scheduling and the choice of openers being utilized still comes into play. YOU KNOW THAT.

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You don't get it. Those things were already in play when you made your predictions. So you can't use that BS to explain away how wrong you were with the predictions.

1. SLC will have a higher result.

LOL, it sure will, one thats way ahead of your prediction!

2. Denver will have a higher result but mainly because SLC wasn't announced until MONTHS LATER, which boosted the Denver demand.

Even if that were true, its not going to explain the huge gap between your prediction and the actual results.

3. Minneapolis will have a higher result but mainly because Winnipeg wasn't announced until MONTHS LATER, which boosted the Minneapolis demand.

There was no indication that U2 would not be playing Winnipeg at the time. With the slow release of dates, sometimes as little as one per week, there would be no reason for Winnipeg fans to jump on the Minneapolis wagon the 1st day of sales which was one of the most rapid sellouts of the tour.

4. St. Louis will have a higher result but mainly because I scheduled a Wisconsin show.

But you didn't schedule a CHICAGO show, and the Chicago market has more of an impact on St. Louis than anything in Wisconsin. So no, you can't use that crap to try an escape the reality of how way off your prediction in St. Louis is going to be once the final results are released.

5. Pittsburgh will have a higher result but mainly because I scheduled an Ohio show.

Even without an Ohio show, your estimate would still be south of what they actually will do in Pittsburgh.

6. The $90 million gross prediction comes from only 19 shows. So since the second North American leg actually has 25 shows, OF COURSE the gross is going to be HIGHER. Duh!

LOL, your prediction was for 22 shows, not 19! LOL

Excluding the Mexico City Shows, there are 22 shows scheduled for United States and Canada. You only had estimates for shows in the United States and Canada. Since the average gross will likely be about $6 million, thats a total gross of $132 million VS your estimate of $90 million. Essentially, U2 is going to GROSS 50% more than what you predicted they would on the 2nd leg for USA/Canada with exactly the same number of shows.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

Nope. The blurring comes from YOU and only YOU. Also, YOU HAVE AGREED THAT STRATEGIC SCHEDULING HAS AN IMPACT, genius.



ONCE AGAIN, U2's actual result from the first 360 tour North American leg ticket sales gross, is about 10% less than the overall result. I was only roughly $6 million off from that result mainly because my prediction was NOT made when U2 announced the openers for their shows. My prediction was made BEFORE ANY OPENERS WERE ANNOUNCED. You, on the other hand, were actually off by around $14 million. Why do you keep going over this?!

It demonstrates the difference between what is fact and what is stretching. I post the factual stats, and then you post your explanation to stretch those facts in the direction YOU want them to go.

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried.

Well, with 110 shows a piece, your claiming the Stones will hit $850 million and Madonna will hit $900 million.

That means an average gross per show of:

$7,727,273 for the Stones

$8,181,818 for Madonna

This means that Madonna's average gross is going to increase by 70% over her Sticky and Sweet Tour and the Stones average gross will nearly double over what they did on A Bigger Bang,

according to you!

 

[Maoilbheannacht]

The proof is each day their overall album sales increase. But then come to think of it, was there any photographic evidence that the Titanic sank, at THAT point in time? Because if there wasn't, then according to you, there's no proof it actually did!

South America is a HUGE rock market and I can't even think of ONE artist that does well in other parts of the world, that doesn't do just as well in South America, if not better.

GIVE ME A FUCKING BREAK.

Your the only person on the planet that is claiming that Muse's album sales in South America Tripled since 2008. I'm looking for evidence to support that claim, but I can't find any.

You could say the figure is doubled or that its ten times as much, but there is no evidence for any of that at this point.

We do have photographic evidence that the Titanic sank, as well as eye witness testimony from the survivers, the life boats etc.
Submarines have even gone down to the titanic and there have been campaigns by groups of people to have it raised from the see floor, although the majority opinion is generally against doing that.

 

[Axver]

May I give you guys the present of multiquote?

FFS, over HALF of Moggio's posts EVER are in this thread alone, and a not-insignificant fraction of Maoilbheannacht's are too.