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Old 07-14-2016, 09:11 PM   #46
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Yeah I followed it a bit on live stream text. Must have been crazy. I read Froome was running up the mountain at one point lol.

And also yay for Belgium. 1 and 2 on the Ventoux. That doesn't happen every day.

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meant to post these last week for you and then forgot you've probably seen em already but i still want to preserve this ridiculousness forever

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the tour is back for another year. my money is on richie porte, froome (and his team) is looking weaker so far this year.

i will also note that i absolutely hate the prologue and wish it would disappear forever.

this is a cool advertisement for today's prologue in dusseldorf, though:

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Well, that was the most eventful boring stage ever. Way too harsh on Sagan.
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It'd go farther an say that it's the greatest affront to the ideas of reason and justice that have ever been perpetrated in sports. Sagan left his path because Demare did the same and he was following him - it was chaos. Cav was going down before Sagan's elbow came up because he tried to fit where the was no room and tried to muscle Sagan out of his way with his fucking head!

Kicking Sagan out is the kind of decision that would be made in haste in any other sport and then overturned when video replay showed it was the wrong call. Instead UCI makes a sane decision then reviews video and acts as though it showed something completely different.

Riders should refuse to wear the green jersey in protest.
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i agree, that seemed like an absurdly hasty decision. the announcers seemed to jump to the same rapid conclusion after watching the replay from behind one time and decided that sagan was guilty of a heinous act. i could understand the reaction after one or two views (i thought the elbow was the cause of the crash as well at first), but after watching several replays it's clear the elbow came out for balance after cav was already starting to go down. all sagan did was try to take a line around démare, and cav tried to fit himself into a place where there was no room. that's cavendish's style, he finds the smallest gaps and blasts through them; sometimes he tries to wedge in where there isn't room and often crashes as a result. he's reckless as hell but that's how he wins so much. this is far from the first time cav has crashed for this exact reason.

i would have expected the UCI would be a little less hasty in expelling the four-time green jersey holder and arguably the most popular rider in the sport today, considering their track record when it comes to punishing their superstars for infractions. what a shame, sagan is so much fun to watch and he's really getting a raw deal here.

gotta wonder how this would have gone if it was, say bouhanni and démare who were involved rather than sagan and cavendish. i imagine it would have been rather different.

anyways, i'm super excited for the climb up la planche des belles filles in about an hour or so. i don't think the contenders will attack each other although quintana should attack without a doubt - 20% gradient! - he without a doubt won't attack, and blame it on some external factor he has no control over, as is tradition, and end up losing the tour by the seconds he could be making up here. i expect a rolland/voeckler type of rider to win at the top today. would love to see richie porte go for it though.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:09 AM   #52
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i don't think the contenders will attack each other although quintana should attack without a doubt - 20% gradient! - he without a doubt won't attack, and blame it on some external factor he has no control over, as is tradition, and end up losing the tour by the seconds he could be making up here.
I hope you're wrong but you're probably right. I don't think Quintana will ever win a Tour. It's such a shame that Sagan is out - he'd win his sixth green jersey, Froome will possibly win his fourth yellow...the results could have been historic.

If Bouhanni had been involved he would have elbowed Cav and given him a kick for good measure.
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I hope you're wrong but you're probably right. I don't think Quintana will ever win a Tour. It's such a shame that Sagan is out - he'd win his sixth green jersey, Froome will possibly win his fourth yellow...the results could have been historic.
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Hot damn, what a finish. Quintana will have his yellow jersey soon enough.
as you can see i've always been pretty big on quintana but his constant refusal to attack has soured me by now. i was pretty let down during the giro this year when he had the maglia rosa on stage 20, knowing the final stage was a time trial. he absolutely had to put time into nibali, pinot, and dumoulin to have any hope of keeping the jersey, and all he did was ride to keep up with the front group. he had literally no choice but to attack and still refused to. even the commentators were baffled, they kept saying that the attack must be imminent because he's undoubtedly going to lose the giro if he doesn't go rightfuckingnow, but all he did was stick on nibali's wheel like he thought the giro ended that day and he was fine as long as he didn't lose time. it was maddening to watch.

sure as shit, tom dumoulin put nearly a minute and a half into quintana on the TT the next day and won the giro by 45 seconds.

it's like he outright refuses to put in the necessary work, or there's something inside him that seizes up when the moment to strike presents itself. almost like he doesn't really want to win deep down. he has no killer instinct and it's frustrating. he talks like a GC contender and races like he only wants the polka-dots. valverde probably could have won a tour by now if the team hadn't been so focused on pumping up the guy who just settles for being on the podium consistently.
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hell of an attack by aru. god damn i love that climb

kind of a shame that froome is already in yellow but definitely expected. hope aru didn't blow his tires out today and he and porte (and others too) can keep up the pressure on sky going into the alps this weekend.
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Yeah, his racing in the Giro was puzzling. Movistar has to be very frustrated with him. Today he actually lost time, but he's pretty much even with Contador so he's probably happy about that. He shouldn't be, though: Contador is done, and so is Quintana for this tour. There's no way he'll make up 52 seconds on Froome.

Aru's attack was excellent though. I'm surprised Froome waited to so long to respond. I'd be thrilled to see Aru win the tour, but that's not going to happen.
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Unless he attacks with some sort of ambition, which he isn't bold enough to do.
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i don't think quintana could take back 54 seconds on froome right now even if he woke up tomorrow morning with lance's ambition.

the more i think about it the less i think i would be disappointed if froome ends up winning, i just really want to see a close finish. if it's half as exciting as the giro was this year i don't care who wins.
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I agree that Quintana isn't the most adventurous rider (I'm a fan BTW), but it's not exactly easy to attack the best climbers in the world who are in their best form. In the Giro there was one stage where Quintana did attack and when Dumoulin caught him at the end he lost some time. Yesterday it was clear that he didn't have the legs after he couldn't follow Froome and Porte. It would also be stupid to attack early because the Sky team will just keep you within reach until Froome closes the gap because he's still fresher.

Basically, it's not Playstation.
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I agree that Quintana isn't the most adventurous rider (I'm a fan BTW), but it's not exactly easy to attack the best climbers in the world who are in their best form. In the Giro there was one stage where Quintana did attack and when Dumoulin caught him at the end he lost some time. Yesterday it was clear that he didn't have the legs after he couldn't follow Froome and Porte. It would also be stupid to attack early because the Sky team will just keep you within reach until Froome closes the gap because he's still fresher.

Basically, it's not Playstation.
obviously it's not a video game. i know how this works, i've been watching pro cycling for over half my life. no need to be condescending.

a short punchy climb with a massive gradient would have been a perfect time for a pure climber like quintana to attack. it may not have amounted to anything real in terms of time but it would have required the other contenders to expend energy bringing him back on a 20% slope.

as far as the giro goes it's pretty obvious he needed to attack on stage 20 regardless of what happened previously, and he didn't even look like he was thinking about trying it. he clearly knew the situation in terms of his chances in the TT and the state of the race at the time and did not act on that. he was obviously not riding to win for whatever reason. i would have respected it if he had made an attempt and failed. but when you have no choice but to be aggressive or lose a professional grand tour, to not even make a single go at it is plain lazy, or the rider is injured. we know he wasn't hurt (beyond the usual grand tour fatigue that everyone would be experiencing), so...

obviously now we know that he didn't even have the legs to stay with the main contenders on la planche (how badly is movistar missing alejandro valverde right now), but if he was in his top form it certainly wouldn't have been a poor move to try to have a dig. at least it would have separated the field a bit and provided valuable intel on the status of his rivals in advance of the alpine stages. it's all moot now though. it looks like he gassed himself going for the giro and doesn't have the form to stay on the podium this time around.

i've been a fan of nairo's since his first tour - he's a great climber but his downfall is he just makes weird tactical choices that make no sense (like just letting froome ride away downhill last year on the peyresourde and assuming someone else would do the work to chase him down). i also think that movistar's focus on him winning tours isn't helpful. quintana is clearly one of the top climbers on earth, but valverde is, in my opinion, a better overall rider when you factor in tactics, time trials, energy, etc.

this turned into a rant, guess my 3 cups of coffee from this morning are now kicking in.

anyways, all i came in here to say originally was that edvald boasson hagen got fucking screwed this morning - that was a dead heat and they should have both been given the stage win.
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Old 07-07-2017, 02:55 PM   #60
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I really wasn't trying to be condescending so my excuses for that.

I don't think Valverde is better than Quintana for a grand tour. There's a reason Quintana has actually won a grand tour (two even) and Valverde hasn't. He's a much better climber. I actually believe Quintana could have won the Tour two years ago if Valverde didn't go for the podium as well.
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