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Old 11-10-2011, 01:19 PM   #91
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As I've said many times over the past week, I really have no idea what to do now.
Go make a name for yourself. Easier said than done, I understand, but you can learn a lot by being on the front lines of a rapidly breaking story like this.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:19 PM   #92
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Be proud that you are one of the PSU community members being a thoughtful analyst of the situation rather than a bloody reactionary.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:36 PM   #93
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He was dead on, though he was actually rehashing a news story that came out in March and basically editorialized it.

The vast majority of students have condemned the rioting. Most of those people are also defending Paterno. I can't wrap my head around. I've never felt more Philadelphian and less Penn State in my life.

I sent a tweet out today about what I said to a reporter when asked about the riots, and it's been circulating. Many circulating it are doing it as a "We Are" rally and continuing to defend Paterno. This whole thing makes zero sense to me.
Your quote was right on though.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:40 PM   #94
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New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse - SBNation.com

more than just madden reporting the rumors that the second mile was pimping out kids to big donors...
this is the type of story I prefer not to spend several hours researching and fact checking

over the next few days good (correct) information will come out

there will be a lot of rumors and gossip, a friend of a friend said, and with social media being what it is today, I got to believe a lot of exaggerated or false stuff will proliferate.


I find it hard to believe he was pimping little children and they were not telling their parents, guardians, friends, etc.


if he had a 'rent boy' thing going with willing 'of age' gay students, that is still wrong and bad
there have been many instances of female call girl rings operating on campuses, if a teacher or coach was involved he or she should be prosecuted

logically a willing sex worker seems more likely to have gone unnoticed and /or unreported for so long

as I said I have not done much checking on this, I do expect in the next 2-3 days this will be a lot more clear.
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The idea that the whole Second Mile foundation was a huge, elaborate front for multiple men preying on defenseless little kids makes my skin crawl. I know I shouldn't jump to conclusions...I don't know shit...I'm just an idiot with a laptop...but reading between the lines here gives me the sinking feeling that these investigations will expose Second Mile as one of the most disturbing criminal organizations, potentially, in the country's history. Some seriously fucked up unprecedented shit going on here.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:44 PM   #96
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I could also be naive, and that kind of shit has gone on at many other places.

I guess I just don't want to believe that.

I'll be happy here in my blissful, ignorant bubble eating frozen pizza and watching old sitcom reruns.
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that's the best article I've ever read on there. Not at all funny, but very strong.
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New Jerry Sandusky Rumor Threatens To Make Penn State Scandal Much Worse - SBNation.com

more than just madden reporting the rumors that the second mile was pimping out kids to big donors...
I'm getting tired of the way the media is teasing this new story as though it's the plot of next weeks episode. He'll, we've even got industry insiders spoiling some info for us now!
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:48 PM   #98
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Outside the Arena: College sports bubble can warp values | Philadelphia Inquirer | 11/10/2011
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she seems to think it does have something to do with sport

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But Penn State is no more guilty than other powerhouse athletic departments and universities. Believe this: These things could have happened anywhere. It's the protective cocoon of big-time athletics.

The longer you reside within that cocoon, the more entrenched you become in the culture. Administrators and coaches often morph from humans who react with humanity into vassals charged with protecting the institutional image. Preserving legacy and mystique are placed ahead of a child's - or a woman's - pain.

When we are finally allowed to ask questions of Paterno and Curley and Penn State president Graham Spanier, we should be less concerned with precisely what they knew and when they knew it. We should be concerned with understanding the answer to only one answer: why?

Why not go to the police immediately? Why endanger additional innocent children?

I think when you wade through the rhetoric, you'll find a very frightening answer, one that mirrors my flawed thinking while pacing, waiting, for that NBC interview.

They couldn't see the humanity standing outside their blue-and-white athletic gates.

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Yes, and sports are power. They are one and the same at major universities. Trust me, having been around universities with these behemoth programs for many years, the athletes and coaches get what they want when they want it, and the reason that they get it is the fervor, and, hence, money, that they are able to drum up amongst the student body and the alumni. I firmly belief that sports influence the culture of universities far more thoroughly than they do the general population. If I am upset at the corporatization of the NFL, I can just not watch the game. Students at big-program universities have the sports programs forced down their throats at every turn.

This is ultimately a question of priorities. Paterno was lionized for nothing more than winning football games, which, in the long run, means absolutely nothing. If he had been a tireless advocate of the student-athlete but had never won a national championship, no one would have given a damn about him. My point is that it makes no sense to build someone up as a pillar of the community for something as trivial as being a football coach.

And, finally, I'm not impugning the entire Penn State community by any means. But those who were involved in these ridiculous pro-Paterno rallies deserve to be exposed as the ignorami that they are.
This is a particularly judgmental post from you, iYup. I don't attend Penn State thank God, but Joe Paterno was more than a successful football coach, he was the face for an entire university and had been for decades. He was a football coach by profession, but his power at that school spread far beyond the confines of the athletic program. He's like a slightly dazed grandfather to them, and they're afraid of losing him, as well as what's about to happen next.

The worst part about the rioters is that they drew attention to themselves instead of the victims. It's really quite pathetic and potentially harmful. But I can understand why they happened.
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iYup is aware that he's more than just a football coach to the PSU faculty, student body, and alumni, but I think the important question he was asking was "Why?" as in why is such a value placed on something so insignificant.

If I ran the world, competitive athletics would be completely severed from the school system and just turned into minor leagues across the board. It has NOTHING to do with higher education.

Also, someone Tweeted that last night's protest was the "Arab Spring for douchebags".

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That's an incredibly troubling thought:

What if Laz ran the world?
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iYup is aware that he's more than just a football coach to the PSU faculty, student body, and alumni, but I think the important question he was asking was "Why?" as in why is such a value placed on something so insignificant.
The question of "why?" is irrelevant to someone who has been part of an institution for 60 years, and it's certainly not safe to load that question with the assumption that he's only benefited the athletic program. He's done a whole lot of shit for PSU unrelated to football by this point. iYup may be aware of this, but his argument doesn't allow any concessions for it.

If college students were paid, I personally wouldn't bother with NCAA. Lower quality performances than pro leagues, driven by cash all the same? No thanks.
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Also, someone Tweeted that last night's protest was the "Arab Spring for douchebags".

I think it is the 'before party' for occupying city parks, or the rest of their lives.
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Well why watch then? What's the difference if people are rooting for a team connected to their school vs. a city/township? It's all local pride bullshit either way; it's not like the people who all support a team have anything else in common.
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