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Old 07-22-2012, 01:39 PM   #541
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So they're basically a division II program now.

What's their status with the Big 10?
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:01 PM   #542
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Quoting Schad from Twitter "If loss of bowls and or scholarships are significant enough it will be debated if punishment is harsher than one-year suspension of program"

Precisely my previous argument. You can slam them worse w/o using the death penalty.
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Old 07-22-2012, 02:36 PM   #543
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Maybe. We'll see.
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Old 07-22-2012, 03:52 PM   #544
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i can't believe fragments of the penalty haven't leaked yet.

i thought about this for 45 minutes while i was swimming.

could the NCAA say "no big-10 bowl revenue" too? so not only do they not get any from their suspension, but they don't get any from the other schools? not sure what their cut from two BCS games (plus the other bowls).

could they stretch the bowl-ban to 8 years, basically two full classes.
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Old 07-23-2012, 01:38 AM   #545
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NCAA president Mark Emmert has decided to punish Penn State with severe penalties likely to include a significant loss of scholarships and loss of multiple bowls, a source close to the decision told ESPN's Joe Schad on Sunday morning.

But Penn State will not receive the so-called "death penalty" that would have suspended the program for at least one year, the source said.

The penalties, however, are considered to be so harsh that the death penalty may have been preferable, the source said.
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Old 07-23-2012, 03:19 AM   #546
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Just football... and if you believe something like this can only happen in America, yea... sure.
Don't get narky. I wasn't bagging.

If it's just one active sexual deviant and one esteemed figure who refused to accept it and alert authorities, surely killing off the entire football department is a bit extreme? Just clear out the entire executive and coaching team and refresh the club?
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Don't get narky. I wasn't bagging.

If it's just one active sexual deviant and one esteemed figure who refused to accept it and alert authorities, surely killing off the entire football department is a bit extreme? Just clear out the entire executive and coaching team and refresh the club?
I think you're underselling a minimum of 15 years (probably longer) of enabling child rape just a tad...
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they got off easy

lame
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Old 07-23-2012, 08:14 AM   #549
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It's harsh, no doubt... but not as harsh as a 2 year death penalty would have been.

It'll do, but I do t think it went far enough.

USC got a 2 year post season ban and a similar scholarship loss... they're doing just fine.

They're gonna lose a lot of money... but they should have been shut down.
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Penn State is going to lose about 120 million on this penalty.

Their endowment is 1.2 billion.

Way to send a message, NCAA.

I can only hope the players leave in a mass exodus.
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I think as far as this would change the culture there, like the NCAA said-basically the completely warped values that allowed them to think that all of that was justifiable. You can't get any more warped than placing sports and money above the safety of children. As far as it can accomplish that, I think it's the right way to go. If you just take away the sports and then the culture goes back to just what it was, what good is that? Ultimately it's up to the college and the students to change the culture, but they do have to comply with all these penalties.

I went to a high school, not a college, where sports were placed above all. And I have no doubt in my mind that a Penn State scenario could have happened there. Of course back then sexual abuse was much more of a secret. But that's not the main reason it would have happened.
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USC was banned from post season play for two years, and had a similar scholarship elimination as well. next year will be their first season back eligible for post-season play.

they are expected to be #1 in the nation when the first pre-season polling comes out... at the very least a lock for top 5... and also have the likely #1 draft pick in next year's NFL draft at quarterback. and sold a shit load of tickets in those two years, and made a shit load of money.

now of course USC doesn't have the stigma of being associated with child rape. and they won't have an avalanche of crippling civil lawsuits heading their way. so when you combine all those factors, penn state has a long way to go. but certainly not as far as they'd have had to climb if they had a 2 year ban of their football program.

it seems as if the NCAA is hoping that they will die off from the combined beatings, rather than finish the job themselves.
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Big difference between a two year bowl ban and a four year bowl ban. No one is going to commit to a uni where they know they'll never play in a postseason game. Recruiting is going to be way down the next couple of years at least.
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Looks like the Big Ten just piled on. No bowl revenue sharing and a ban from the Big Ten title game (as if) for the same four year period.
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Exactly. USC was able to weather the storm by essentially separating out the punishment. 2 years with full recruiting classes but no bowl. A very strong underclass that for the most part stayed with the program. And now using the scholarship limitations to get the top kids they want and having more walk-ons to address depth. Lastly, this is only possible because of the natural recruiting advantages of being in Los Angeles and having our big rival not really a factor.

Penn State is a whole other issue. They will not be able to separate the punishments out and they are going to 65 instead of 75. They are toast for the better part of the next decade or more.
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