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Old 11-11-2011, 02:26 PM   #196
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I have it on pretty good authority. It's not surprising; when ABC knocked on his door he had a Penn State jacket on then too.

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Though something tells me he's the kind of guy who has almost nothing in his closet that doesn't say Penn State on it.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:31 PM   #197
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Paterno is not facing any criminal charges.
Why not, though?

The grand jury found McQuery's testimony "very credible". McQuery's testimony was that he told Paterno the same thing he told the rest: that Sandusky was having sex with a minor in the shower.

If McQuery's testimony is credible, then Paterno lied and by extension has perjured himself. Or am I missing something.
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in his mind, he is the same person

wasn't he considered a good asst. coach? his work with the team still stands
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The grand jury found McQuery's testimony "very credible". McQuery's testimony was that he told Paterno the same thing he told the rest: that Sandusky was having sex with a minor in the shower.
Where in the grand jury report does it say that?
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I have it on pretty good authority. It's not surprising; when ABC knocked on his door he had a Penn State jacket on then too.

Paterno is not facing any criminal charges.
I thought you were referring to the AD.

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Only Curley and Schultz were indicted for perjury. Not Paterno, Spanier or McQueary. That could change I guess, but the grand jury found Paterno's testimony of what he knew credible.
I got lost with the pronoun and that the AD was the "he" in question.

I've read the grand jury report and Paterno said basically the same thing as Curley and Schultz re: what was reported to them about what happened in the showers. I have no doubt that the former grad assistant is telling the truth when he said he told Paterno et al what he saw. Paterno is walking a fine line here about what he says he knew.
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Where in the grand jury report does it say that?
The very top of page 8.
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Where in the grand jury report does it say that?
The top of page 8.
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Eh? No, I mean McQueary explicitly stating that he'd described what he saw as anal sex when talking to to Paterno. The report does cite him as explicitly stating he told Curley and Schultz that, and thus concludes that they were guilty of materially false statements. It doesn't say that about Paterno.
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The top of page 8.
Exactly, and on page 7 it describes how not only did the graduate assistant report to Paterno "what he saw", Paterno also testified (under oath, I would think) that he reported to Curley that "the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

In other words, he testified that when he informed Curley, he didn't say exactly what the grand jury found McQuery to be "extremely credible" about, he had downgraded it to fondling and later "inappropriate".

The whole thing is that as it went up the chain, it got watered down until they felt it wasn't such a big deal. Paterno is part of that process, and he either lied under oath or admitted under oath to changing the severity of the report.
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It doesn't say that about Paterno.
It says he told Paterno what he saw. There's not much to interpret there.
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Where in the grand jury report does it say that?

If you read page 7 and 8, I think Paterno is ok,
Curley and Schultz are at risk.

"Paterno said that he reported to Curley that "the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch Building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."

that is probably enough to save Paterno. he is reporting what he recalls from memory, from an upset person.

when the witness spoke to Curley, it was a first hand report, from an eye witness.
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It says he told Paterno what he saw. There's not much to interpret there.
There's everything to interpret there, and is the whole reason why Paterno is not charged.
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There's everything to interpret there
I disagree. I think he's getting a free pass because he testified that he at the very least called it "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature" when he reported it and because the others actually outright lied about it being anything sexual in nature at all.

He was told the same thing by McQuery that McQuery also told the others. He started the dilution of the story.
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It says he told Paterno what he saw. There's not much to interpret there.
I understand your logic and agree the lack of specifity in the report on that point is strange, but, my own conclusion from the fact that the report quotes Paterno saying "fondling or doing something of a sexual nature," yet does not deem him guilty of materially false statements--whereas Schultz and Curley were directly charged with that, by virtue of the "extremely credible" McQueary having explicitly told the grand jury that he did cite anal sex when reporting to them (bottom of p. 7)--would be that McQueary himself indicated to the grand jury that Paterno's summary of what McQueary had told him was correct. Otherwise, you're left with the argument that the grand jury was simply too stupid to have it occur to them to explicitly ask McQueary whether he explicitly mentioned anal sex to Paterno.

ETA--There might also be something to deep's point, that because Curley and Schultz were the designated obligated reporters (to the police) under PA law, they might be in a different category in terms of responsibility to record and recall details of the eyewitness account precisely, hence the non-credibility of their supposed recollections compared to McQueary's testimony. I'm in no position to be sure on that though.
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I guess from a strictly legal standpoint you are right Yolland. He's still so wrong, what he did and/or didn't do. I tend to agree with deep's idea that when he was testifying, he was summarizing his memory of the events which I suppose keeps him from a direct charge of perjury, but would add to that there's no logical reason to believe, period, that a distraught McQuery would tell his immediate boss a lesser story so close to the event, and then later on tell a more severe version to Curley and Schultz. He told them all the same thing, and Paterno stood by as they all watered it down and finally swept it under the rug.

Re: your last sentence...well, didn't they? It seems almost unthinkable that they didn't!


eta...I just remembered something..somewhere along the way one or more media outlets reported that Paterno testified that McQuery never told him that it was anal sex. It's not directly mentioned in the findings of fact though. I guess there is more to the record than what's listed in that document, right? Isn't that just a summary of what facts they feel are relevant?
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