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Old 05-13-2009, 10:40 PM   #91
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In 2002, after a trial game, Johns and either 1 or 2 other players picked up a waitress. She went willingly to their room to participate in an act of group sex.

However it happened (no-one knows yet) other players found out and began arriving. At this point Johns left, and up to 6 players joined in, with up to 6 more players and staff watching. At no stage did she try and get out, she was fully consenting (the act is disgusting, but NOT illegal).

In around 2004/5 she came forward and threatened to name the initial 3 players, and Matt Johns admitted one was him, refusing to name the others. Now it has come out that it was much more involved than initially thought.

It has been made quite clear that he hasn't done anything illegal. Obviously, it is hard for a person to leave a group of up to 12 men, but it was consensual, and she was there of her own free will. The fact that she is having trouble coping is entirely a product of her own bad decisions.

Johns issues or for him and his family to work out. He has now been fired from his job as a commentator and host on a number of variety programs, he has been fired as his job as a specialist coach for different teams, and he has been banned from any an dall positions available within the NRL administration system.

While his actions were abhorrent, it is immoral and borderline a violation of human rights to fire someone and ruin their life based on actions he took entirely within the framework of the law, and that were mistakes made by another human being.
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Old 05-13-2009, 10:47 PM   #92
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2002? god, i knew it was a long time ago, but bringing something up from that long ago is a laugh.

the only question is on if the people who joined in gave her a choice.

either way, ew.
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yeah, given the circumstances i can see where one can argue it started out consenting but she got less willing the more people joined in. but if johns left before things got out of hand, i don't see how it's his fault or why he should have his career ruined over this.
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yeah, given the circumstances i can see where one can argue it started out consenting but she got less willing the more people joined in. but if johns left before things got out of hand, i don't see how it's his fault or why he should have his career ruined over this.
that's the crux of the issue, imo.

i want the other players named. they're the ones who are really in the wrong here, if it's gone down the way we think it has.
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also, another reason this stuff bugs me is because it makes everyone involved with the code look like shit, just because of the actions of a few assholes. even a relatively clean club like auckland gets tarred with this, as do the fans and anyone else involved.

just look at something like the superthread, where when the show was airing everyone related to league were labelled as knuckle draggers and other intelligent comments, simply because of a few assholes.
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i want the other players named
it's yo momma

no really idk obvs
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that's not what you said last night

(wtf)
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The problem is that all johns has to hold on to in his life apart from his family are his memories from football, and his friends. He will lose all of those if he names people.

9 made the wrong decision. They should have made a deal for the naming of the other players involved and the full story.

At least Johns should make a statement urging the others to come forward.

It seems strange; he lost everything he should logically and lawfully have kept, and kept what he morally should have lost
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i don't want him to name them, for sure. that would not be cool.

why he alone was singled out by fork awners while everyone else involved gets off scot-free, especially if he was all consensually involved and the rest weren't is really rough.
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i don't want him to name them, for sure. that would not be cool.

why he alone was singled out by fork awners while everyone else involved gets off scot-free, especially if he was all consensually involved and the rest weren't is really rough.
Teaches the kids a great lesson doesn't it "don't admit to things when you think you've done something wrong. You'll get in trouble, and everyone else won't"
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While his actions were abhorrent, it is immoral and borderline a violation of human rights to fire someone and ruin their life based on actions he took entirely within the framework of the law, and that were mistakes made by another human being.


Was he married with kids at the time of the incident? He's visibly upset by this in interviews etc.

Whilst I completely agree with you, I can see Channel 9's position as well, becuase it would be hard to keep its credibility in tact if they kept him on the show and pretended as if nothing happened.

But if you really think about this, it has completely wrecked Johns' life, and that's not fucking right.

If people heard even half the shit that really goes on, there would be no sport played in this country.
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Sex scandal woman 'bragged about it'

something to mull over....
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just look at something like the superthread, where when the show was airing everyone related to league were labelled as knuckle draggers and other intelligent comments, simply because of a few assholes.
why didn't you bring this up with me? seriously, you've been to western sydney suburbs football games, how many times? i live in rugby league country. the scum who follow this sport are everywhere. the players themselves are largely idiotic. i would never, and clarified as much the other night, say that all who follow the league are the equivalent of the missing link. you are among those who i don't view with this contempt because you're like my family who are not walking stereotypes of this very real thug aspect of this sport. you cannot deny it exists in others en masse. if only the clubs here in sydney were half as decent as your kiwi lads, there would never be shit like this johns story in the media. i'm not being sarcastic. unfortunately for the league, johns' story is not the first of its kind.


seriously ian, bring it up with me if you have a problem. i'm not uninformed of the problems which exist in the nrl. my unashamed bias aside, i can quite clearly differentiate between the types i was describing and people like you. most people who know what they are railing about can do this.
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just look at something like the superthread, where when the show was airing everyone related to league were labelled as knuckle draggers and other intelligent comments, simply because of a few assholes.
Harden the fuck up.
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Whether Johns is in the right or wrong is up to how sacred marriage is to the individual who is judging. If he was with his missus back then, he betrayed and cheated on her and that's not cool. That's Careyesque. That's the scandal.

He seems quite adamant that it was just a session of consensual group sex. It seems as if it really is a case of the sexual act going too far. Group Sex, the girl in a severely compromised position, out of control of where the sexual act was going, and it turned into rape, whether the participants know they've committed an act of rape, who knows.

I don't like it how the issue has to be left unresolved. Poor girl.
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