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Old 01-16-2015, 08:23 AM   #151
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well, it's a little early for the collapse but whatever... I'm really hoping Shannahan and Nonis seriously start cleaning house soon since I'm not seeing any other point to this season.
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:25 AM   #152
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well, it's a little early for the collapse but whatever... I'm really hoping Shannahan and Nonis seriously start cleaning house soon since I'm not seeing any other point to this season.

You hung on a lot longer than most (myself included).

At this point I just hope they make some good trades and get the prospects some legit ice time, other than that I've completely stopped caring about the Leafs.

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Old 01-16-2015, 10:24 AM   #153
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The Flyers have three of the top 19 prospects in the NHL, and all three of them are defensemen. The future looks bright to build around superstar $30 million defenseman Andrew MacDonald.
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Where did you get 19?
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Old 01-16-2015, 02:27 PM   #155
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There was a top-30 list and Sanheim was 10, Morin was 13 and Gostisbehere was 19.
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Old 01-16-2015, 03:23 PM   #156
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Well, I have no idea why you'd refer to them as the "top 19" prospects. Perhaps "top 20?"

And I wouldn't even agree with whatever list that was. Not that I'm familiar with any of those prospects, but I am familiar with what I would consider the top 20. Although, that totally depends upon what you're calling a prospect. I'm curious to see that list...
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Old 01-16-2015, 09:47 PM   #157
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I rarely post in the hockey thread cause the Islanders haven't been a part of the NHL for so long... but I've gotta say it's fun to watch them right now, and would be amazing if they could bring home the cup in their final season at the Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum
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I'm willing to go all in on the Isles when/if the Hawks are out of it.

An Isles/Preds Stanley Cup would pull the worst ratings ever but I would watch it.
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Old 01-16-2015, 10:07 PM   #159
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The isles wouldn't be as bad as you would imagine.

Plenty of teams, including my own, that would do worse.
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Yeah, you're right that it's still a huge market even if, as Headache put it, it's been a while since they've been "part of the NHL." Lightning/Preds is the matchup that the NHL has to be dreading.

United Center is a fucking roadhouse tonight. Seabrook beat the shit out of a guy earlier and I just saw an 8 man pile-up over a cheap shove by Carcillo. The play itself is sloppy and uninspired.
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Well, I have no idea why you'd refer to them as the "top 19" prospects. Perhaps "top 20?"

And I wouldn't even agree with whatever list that was. Not that I'm familiar with any of those prospects, but I am familiar with what I would consider the top 20. Although, that totally depends upon what you're calling a prospect. I'm curious to see that list...
TSN Hockey's Top 30 NHL-affiliated prospects - Article - TSN
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Old 01-17-2015, 07:32 PM   #162
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Craig Button is on crack if he thinks Max Domi is the best prospect in the NHL.

Also, that list is entirely non-inclusive of prospects in the NHL (generally players who are still rookie eligible are considered prospects).

I generally am comfortable with HockeysFuture rankings. They're generally incredibly conservative with how they rank things. I think the top 20 is much less negotiable in terms of party (but not order). They tend to get that right.
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Old 01-21-2015, 09:45 AM   #163
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For those interested in the unmitigated disaster that is the Leafs, Jonas Siegel with TSN wrote a very detailed history of how we got here over the past decade, very enlightening...

Management failures at heart of current Leaf state - Article - TSN
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Old 01-21-2015, 01:22 PM   #164
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I'm really curious as to why you think a bubble team is such a disaster.
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I don't think that the Leafs are a bubble team to begin with, that tends to imply that they are improving towards contention which never seems to happen, every time they seem to take the next step there is a regression that puts them back farther than where they started.

That being said I think they are a disaster because:

a. This has been a continual cycle of failure for the past decade- since 1967 quite honestly but I'll stay current.

b. They do not appear to have the pieces in place to contend for the cup anytime soon and we have little to no cap flexibility to make any meaningful moves, trades or upgrades.

c. If a rebuild is in order the "core" players will be very difficult to move with their large long term contracts, no-trade clauses and the above cap issues.

d. They are not losing enough to really have a chance at a high-end draft pick, we are going to end up where we always do - somewhere in around 10-15. I understand that yes, you can find good draft choices anywhere in the draft if you know what you are doing but the Leafs clearly don't and they need a real high-end top pick to really get things started again. This is something I'm not convinced they have the drafting abilities to find unless they have the obvious #1.
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