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Old 06-10-2009, 08:47 AM   #241
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"We were just messin around last night. That game doesn't count."
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Old 06-10-2009, 09:00 AM   #242
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The Magic played well tonight. They still need to pound it into Dwight more though. I saw two or three possessions in the fourth quarter where Dwight was in position in the post and open and the other guys either missed the fact that he was open or didn't want to pass it in to him - either way they settled for jump shots, some of which went in, but still, you can't just pass up an open Dwight in the post, especially on nights like tonight where that little five foot hook shot was near automatic for him given that kind of space.

One down, two more to go in Orlando.
disagree, sorta... i think orlando did a terrific job of taking advantage of what the lakers gave them. in the first few games they tried too hard to dump it into howard, who was being double and triple teamed before he even got the ball, and the offense stagnated because of it.

last night they spread the floor, moved the ball and used howard as a decoy... only good things can happen for the magic if they continue this approach. either the lakers will continue to allow them to shoot wide open shots, or it will force the lakers to stop sagging two guys onto howard before he gets the ball, and then they can start feeding him the ball more.

trying to force the ball into him right now would be a mistake. let him get it in the flow.
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Old 06-10-2009, 11:11 AM   #243
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Not a good sign for the Magic.
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"We were just messin around last night. That game doesn't count."
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last night they spread the floor, moved the ball and used howard as a decoy...
and the fact that everything the threw went in. 75% FGA in the first half? unbelievable.
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Old 06-10-2009, 12:45 PM   #244
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Pau's new nickname is The Ostrich, by the way. His little hook shot is indefensible though.





A lot of those Magic points came from driving to the basket, scores in the paint, etc... not as much errant jumpers as the last 2 games. Rafer Alston showing a pulse early on really got them going. Great ball movement all around, especially by Turkoglu.
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the magic won because the shot the lights out. Hedo and Lewis were hitting everything from outside. They can only beat the lakers when their shooters are really hot.
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disagree, sorta... i think orlando did a terrific job of taking advantage of what the lakers gave them. in the first few games they tried too hard to dump it into howard, who was being double and triple teamed before he even got the ball, and the offense stagnated because of it.

last night they spread the floor, moved the ball and used howard as a decoy... only good things can happen for the magic if they continue this approach. either the lakers will continue to allow them to shoot wide open shots, or it will force the lakers to stop sagging two guys onto howard before he gets the ball, and then they can start feeding him the ball more.

trying to force the ball into him right now would be a mistake. let him get it in the flow.
I agree with this to an extent, but I imagine Jackson will be making that adjustment next game, no? If Lewis AND Alston continue to play well this is something he had to be prepared for.

Back to my original point--last night was a "nothing to lose" game for the Lakers. Many people felt that they would be in coasting mode and get beat handily (if not blown-out), but that didn't happen. They showed up not just to play, but to win. And Odom & Pau also seem to be locked in for good now. If they are both playing at that level, the Magic are in trouble, because they certainly aren't going to maintain that high shooting percentage.
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disagree, sorta... i think orlando did a terrific job of taking advantage of what the lakers gave them. in the first few games they tried too hard to dump it into howard, who was being double and triple teamed before he even got the ball, and the offense stagnated because of it.

last night they spread the floor, moved the ball and used howard as a decoy... only good things can happen for the magic if they continue this approach. either the lakers will continue to allow them to shoot wide open shots, or it will force the lakers to stop sagging two guys onto howard before he gets the ball, and then they can start feeding him the ball more.

trying to force the ball into him right now would be a mistake. let him get it in the flow.
Oh, I'm not disagreeing with you, they absolutely shouldn't force the ball into him when he's being clobbered like that. I'm just saying there were a few possessions in the fourth where they wouldn't have had to force anything with regards to Dwight, because he was standing near the hoop, either open or with just a single guy on him(I think one possession he was totally open and the one or two others I remember he had one guy on him), and his teammates passed up the opportunity.

I'm all for balancing the offense and not forcing the issue when Dwight's being smothered, that makes perfect sense, I just get annoyed when an elite big man who was in a pretty good offensive rhythm is passed over when he's relatively open is all.

Anyway, they won the game, so all is good.
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i'd also like to add that michael jordan would be up 3-0 right now and would never play the way kobe did down the stretch when he had a team on the ropes.

never (and i say never because i am of the thought that the brief return after baseball and the 2 year return with the wizards never happened)
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i'd also like to add that michael jordan would be up 3-0 right now and would never play the way kobe did down the stretch when he had a team on the ropes.

never (and i say never because i am of the thought that the brief return after baseball and the 2 year return with the wizards never happened)
Surely when you say 'brief return after baseball', you are referring just to the 1995 playoffs when the Bulls lost to Orlando, and not the three championships that followed, yes?

Also, I hate to be picky - and I will always be with you 100% on MJ being better than Kobe - but in 1993, the Bulls won the first two games of the finals vs the Suns in Phoenix, and then proceeded to lose game 3 in Chicago in triple OT. And in 1996, the 72-10 year, the Bulls were up 3-0 over the Sonics in the finals and lost games 4 and 5 in Seattle before winning it in game 6 in Chicago. And in 1998, they were 3-1 over Utah going into game 5 in Chicago, and they lost, and had to win it in game 6 in Utah.

But I guess your point was that MJ wouldn't have played as poorly as Kobe did in the final minutes of a crucial game...which I agree with.
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yes, but in none of those games could you write it up to "... and the bulls lost 'cause michael jordan sucked down the stretch"
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The Magic finally manage to play a great game, Kobe has half an off night, and the Lakers still barely lose.

Not a good sign for the Magic.
I would agree if the Lakers as a team hadn't played all that well, but I'd say that even with Kobe's 2nd half silence the Lakers played well, and the Magic still managed to come out on top.

Now granted, if your team finishes a game shooting nearly 70% from the floor, you should be winning games by more than 4 points. But I'd say there's a glimmer of hope for the Magic now that wasn't there before, and wouldn't have been there had the Lakers simply had an off game.
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I believe it's from Sasha's dunk.
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Isn't it awesome?

It's from earlier this season...a crazy ass blocked shot that Shannon Brown had against the Hawks.
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I would agree if the Lakers as a team hadn't played all that well, but I'd say that even with Kobe's 2nd half silence the Lakers played well, and the Magic still managed to come out on top.

Now granted, if your team finishes a game shooting nearly 70% from the floor, you should be winning games by more than 4 points. But I'd say there's a glimmer of hope for the Magic now that wasn't there before, and wouldn't have been there had the Lakers simply had an off game.
The most important thing to me again is that this was a game the Lakers were EXPECTED to lose, and lose by a large margin. First game on the road team's court after going down 0-2? As I said, Lakers had essentially nothing to lose. They played well, but as you said, the Magic shot a high percentage, and still only won in the last 30 seconds of the game.

If Kobe has a normal night at the free throw line, Lakers probably win that game. Kobe doesn't uncharacteristically lose the ball (he's known as the best handler in the league, no?), same thing. You think he's going to let that happen again?

I still think this goes to 6 games, at least. But they're not leaving Orlando without a win.
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