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Old 06-12-2008, 02:02 PM   #436
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shit.

ok 7 is still not that big a difference. i think the biggest thing people point to in that game is that the lakers got many more fouls in the 4th quarter... which of course meant that the kings got the majority of the fouls in quarters 1, 2 and 3, but, ah, minor insignificant details like that aren't important.
But you also have to look at the blatant favoritism going in each of those foul calls rather than just the number of fouls called.

The most notorious one is, of course, Kobe elbowing Mike Bibby in the face, nearly getting him in a headlock, and Bibby being called for the foul. The common joke is, 'I guess Bibby fouled Kobe's elbow with his face'. Maybe that's not proof that the league was fixing games, but I think incidents like that sure as hell can lead one to think that the refs fix games themselves sometimes(without the league being involved). You're not seriously going to tell me that call on Bibby was the right call, or that it was even close, or that any ref worth his salt would actually think it was the right call, are you?
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Old 06-12-2008, 04:17 PM   #437
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If this is any consolation, I would've elbowed any of those Kings players in the face, too.
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But you also have to look at the blatant favoritism going in each of those foul calls rather than just the number of fouls called.

The most notorious one is, of course, Kobe elbowing Mike Bibby in the face, nearly getting him in a headlock, and Bibby being called for the foul. The common joke is, 'I guess Bibby fouled Kobe's elbow with his face'. Maybe that's not proof that the league was fixing games, but I think incidents like that sure as hell can lead one to think that the refs fix games themselves sometimes(without the league being involved). You're not seriously going to tell me that call on Bibby was the right call, or that it was even close, or that any ref worth his salt would actually think it was the right call, are you?
see you're falling into the media trap.

neither kobe bryant nor mike bibby was called for a foul on that play. the only foul called was on doug christie after the fact. did kobe foul bibby? of course. do refs miss plays like that all the time? yes.

YouTube - NBA Fixed the 2002 WCF Game 6

it's in the last 10 seconds of this asinine video report after some asinine raving by ralph "election killer" nader. you see the elbow, kobe runs to the corner, gets the ball, and is wrapped up by doug christie. you can even hear marv albert tell you what happened if you listen closely.

have i personaly witnessed calls in high school and college that were no calls that were as bad or even worse than that kobe elbow? yes. i had a kid get a barry sanders palm to the face stiff arm, clear as day, 2 feet in front of me, and the ref was standing right next to me. no foul was called. perhaps darth stern's fixing reach has made it's way all the way down to high school JV basketball.

i refuse to belive, without some real, honest to god hard proof, that there is some grand conspiracy to fix games. there are literally 10 to 15 calls per game that could go either way in your average game of basketball. anyone with some video editing equipment and a lot of time on their hands could make ANY game from just about any level of the sport appear to be fixed, if they so desired.

i choose a much simpler explination, one that coaches from pee wee to the NBA and everywhere in between all learn quite quickly. i will now share it with you. keep it tight, it's a well guarded secret that only those in the coaching fraternity know. are you ready? here it is...

all refs suck.
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I ref basketball. I'm willing to admit that I miss calls all the time. I only do it cause it pays 18 bucks an hour.
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If you would've told me that Kobe would only have 3 points at half time and the Lakers would be up by 18 at half, I probably would've laughed at you, but I'm not laughing.
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Lakers couldn't have dreamed of a better first quarter.

Had some sloppy turnovers and weak possessions in the second quarter, but it's all erased by the golden touch of Jordan Farmar!



Let's go Lakers.
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24 point lead, gone.

Should be a fun 4th Quarter. Kobe's probably tired of passing, time to take over.
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The sideline interview with Phil Jackson might be my favorite part of each game.
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I never watch NBA basketball (ever), but it was the only thing on television earlier. Now I just can't shut it off and go to bed.

Fantastic game.
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A-friggin-mazing.
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hahahahahaha
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btw faaaantastic help defense by the lakers on that ray allen drive.
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Fuck me that is the most disappointing game I've watched in a long time.

This calls for a weekend of non-stop, overnight drinking beginning....



NOW.

I'll see you guys later.
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Well, looks like Boston is finally gonna get another championship after all these years.

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btw faaaantastic help defense by the lakers on that ray allen drive.
Indeed. Fisher was inspiring the way he just stood there.
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Fuck me that is the most disappointing game I've watched in a long time.

This calls for a weekend of non-stop, overnight drinking beginning....



NOW.

I'll see you guys later.
Are you gonna watch a movie, too?
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