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Old 06-10-2008, 04:44 PM   #406
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Do I even want to know what you mean by this?
Curt is a badass on the baseball diamond, but honestly I don't give a shit what he has to say about basketball.

That was my point. Perhaps it wasn't very well-stated...my bad.
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I just got thrown off by the bloody sock part.
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I just got thrown off by the bloody sock part.
Obviously Girls ascribes to the ketchup theory.
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Potentially BIG TIME breaking news...apparently Tim Donaghy - the former ref nailed for gambling on NBA games - is ratting the league out to the feds in some sort of an attempt/deal to save his own ass, or get a lighter sentence, or something of the sort. He told the feds that two NBA refs known in the league at the time as 'company guys' were given a mandate in a 2002 to make sure a playoff series that year went seven games. The articles covering this don't name the series specifically, but there was only one seven-game series in 2002 - the Lakers-Kings WCF. You can bet your ass he's talking about that notorious game 6, including the infamous foul call on Bibby after he had been elbowed in the face by Kobe. Donaghy is basically saying the league was behind it.

He also said that the league tells its refs specifically not to call technical fouls on star players and especially not to eject star players.

There is also some mention of an incident involving the Rockets, Mavs, Yao, and JVG from a few years back that I am not very familiar with.

I mean...some will say, and are already saying, 'why should we believe anything Donaghy says?' but....if he's ratting these people out to save his own ass, he'd only get in bigger trouble if he gave the feds false info. Plus, all of this is very believable.

Oh, and ESPN already getting flack for conveniently not really mentioning the Lakers/Kings thing in their article about it. Many expect ESPN to lay low about this considering that they have the NBA's contract right now.

If this is true...wow.
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Is anyone really suprised by any of that?
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Potentially BIG TIME breaking news...apparently Tim Donaghy - the former ref nailed for gambling on NBA games - is ratting the league out to the feds in some sort of an attempt/deal to save his own ass, or get a lighter sentence, or something of the sort. He told the feds that two NBA refs known in the league at the time as 'company guys' were given a mandate in a 2002 to make sure a playoff series that year went seven games. The articles covering this don't name the series specifically, but there was only one seven-game series in 2002 - the Lakers-Kings WCF. You can bet your ass he's talking about that notorious game 6, including the infamous foul call on Bibby after he had been elbowed in the face by Kobe. Donaghy is basically saying the league was behind it.

He also said that the league tells its refs specifically not to call technical fouls on star players and especially not to eject star players.

There is also some mention of an incident involving the Rockets, Mavs, Yao, and JVG from a few years back that I am not very familiar with.

I mean...some will say, and are already saying, 'why should we believe anything Donaghy says?' but....if he's ratting these people out to save his own ass, he'd only get in bigger trouble if he gave the feds false info. Plus, all of this is very believable.

Oh, and ESPN already getting flack for conveniently not really mentioning the Lakers/Kings thing in their article about it. Many expect ESPN to lay low about this considering that they have the NBA's contract right now.

If this is true...wow.
it's a load of crap by a guy who's trying to save his ass, and it's not very believable at all. do refs have points of emphasis? yes. do they take things out on guys they don't like some times? yes. does the make up call exist? of course. do stars get preferential treatment? shit... HIGH SCHOOL refs give out rep calls to certain players... of course the nba guys do as well. is there a grand vast conspiracy by david stern and the refs to rig games? of course not.

here's a list of guys who've collected 10 or more T's in a season since after the alleged incident that dongahy points to. it's filled with all stars and MVP's... shockingly enough, not one mention of ron artest... and frankly the majority of the names on this last are those who would be considered "star players."

Ten Or More Technical Fouls In A Season

2007-2008
Kobe Bryant - 15 (also led league in ejections)(league MVP)
Baron Davis - 13
Rasheed Wallace - 12
Amare Stoudamire - 11
Carmelo Anthony - 11
Brad Miller - 11
Kenyon Martin - 11
Chris Paul - 11
Cuttino Mobley - 11
Mikki Moore - 10
Andres Nocioni - 10
Tyson Chandler - 10
Raja Bell - 10
Linas Kleiza - 10


2006-2007
Rasheed Wallace - 21 (also led league in ejections)
Amare Stoudamire - 15
Richard Hamilton - 15
Kobe Bryant - 14
Gerald Wallace - 13
Carmelo Anthony - 13
Stephen Jackson - 13
Kevin Garnett - 13
Mikki Moore - 12
Jermaine O'Neal - 12
Dirk Nowitzki - 12 (league MVP)
Allen Iverson - 12
Ricky Davis - 11
Lamar Odom - 11

2005-2006
Rasheed Wallace - 17
Kobe Bryant - 15
Allen Iverson - 13
Stephen Jackson - 12
Carmello Anthony - 10
Andre Miller - 10
Ruben Patterson - 10

2004-2005
Rasheed Wallace - 27
Danny Fortson - 23
Steve Francis - 22
Kenyon Martion - 17
Amare Stoudamire - 15
Antoine walker - 15
Kelvin Cato - 15
Joel Pryzbilla - 14
Dirk Nowitzki - 14
Gary Payton - 14
Jerome James - 12
Paul Pierce - 12
Brad Miller - 12
Reggie Evans - 11
Kobe Bryant - 11
Jermaine O'Neal - 11
Bob Sura - 11
Bonzi Wells - 11
Tyson Chandler - 10
Richard Hamilton - 10
Raja Bell - 10
Desmond Mason - 10
Rubern Patterson - 10
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 10
Allen Iverson - 10
Baron Davis - 10
Alonzo Mourning - 10

2003-2004
Steve Francis - 19
Rasheed Wallace - 18
Jermaine O'Neal - 16
Kevin Garnett - 16 (league MVP)
Baron Davis - 16
Raja Bell - 15
Ben Wallace - 13
Jamaal Magloire - 12
Shaquille O'Neal - 12
Stephen Jackson - 12
Gary Payton - 12
Shareef Abdur-Rahim - 11
Vlade Divac - 11
Antoine Walker - 11
Bonzi Wells - 11
Lamar Odom - 10
Brad Miller - 10
Richard Jefferson - 10
Lorenzen Wright - 10
Kobe Bryant - 10



as someone who coaches basketball i have a large hatred for anyone wearing the black and white stripes. i think they all suck. but these claims are a ridiculous attempt by a guy grasping for whatever he can.

if he had claimed that some obscure regular season game instead of a famously poorly reffed game that he said was rigged, i'd believe him more.


it's easy for the lay person to say that a game like this year's finals game 2 was "rigged" because of the difference in fouls... completely ignoring that the two teams play a vastly different style from each other. the lakers are a more finese team that shoots a ton of jumpers, the celtics go to the basket much more, which would obviously draw more contact, thus more fouls.
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I think back to Portland, or Minnesota, and definitely Sacramento and remember those games being times when I began questioning the NBA and fixing games. It's too bad.
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A strange but intense first half.

Kobe being more aggressive but missing 5 free throws, Garnett's shot is broke, Gasol playing like a girl, P.J. Brown going toe to toe with little Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic looking like the second coming of Steve Kerr.

Bring on the second half. Go Lakers.
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Yet the Celtics are only down by 6, and you know Pierce and Garnett will get some points before all is said and done.

I certainly won't be shocked if the Lakers win this one, but I'm still betting the Celtics take one of these.
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A strange but intense first half.

Kobe being more aggressive but missing 5 free throws, Garnett's shot is broke, Gasol playing like a girl, P.J. Brown going toe to toe with little Jordan Farmar, Sasha Vujacic looking like the second coming of Steve Kerr.

Bring on the second half. Go Lakers.


Kobe missing those freethrows? WTF? Still playing great though.
Gasol - make a frickin' shot, would you?!!?!

Vujacic

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For those of you who hate cheating scandals: NBA former ref claims playoffs are rigged

Ex-NBA referee: playoff series manipulated - NBA - Yahoo! Sports
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For those of you who hate cheating scandals: NBA former ref claims playoffs are rigged

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We covered that. On this very page.
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We covered that. On this very page.
And Headache's post pretty much said it all.
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Phew.

Just got back from my victory cigarette. That was a nail-biter. Great game.

Kobe is insane. Huge shot by Vujacic down the stretch there. This is going to end up one hell of a series.

And I've gotten in trouble for this before so all I'm going to do is ask who that blonde girl was sitting to Jack Nicholson's left? I guess I'll just say that I'm curious about her. Anybody have any ideas??? Jack's daughter maybe?

Go Lakers!
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