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Old 05-23-2011, 11:05 PM   #706
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People always talk about Detroit moving to the East.

Don't forget about Columbus and Nashville, first. In fact, it will be interesting to see which team gets re-aligned to the Southeast. Or, if they do away with the naming of Southeast and rename all of the Eastern divisions and realign them all.
Well, because Detroit is in the East. But I agree about Columbus. In fact, I think they may be moved first.
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I only started watching mid January after I played NHL 11 (now my favorite PS3 game) at a friends place (a new penguins fan) We then watched a few highlights of a few games. I picked Canucks as my team, only because Robin from How I Met Your Mother does. (well there's an EP where she's wearing Lungo's jersey....) anywho I had no idea they had one of the best teams in the league this year, but had never won the cup? I couldn't believe that...and they have had only what one trip to the finals?

Ice Hockey Is pretty much underground/alternative sport over here. It gets no coverage on the news (unless there is a freak accident) It's not even mentioned on cable TV at all until the playoffs. The only real way i've been able to watch any is through the gamecenter on NHL.com. So a small group of my friends occasionally get together to watch the games but most games fall during work hours.

The NBA is not too different, however with two Aussies in that league it gets a lot more airtime.




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That's awesome!

Vancouver's been to the finals in '82 and '94.

I've said this many times so far this season, but something feels different about the team. I've always been confident in our chances in the playoffs, but the team this year has me absolutely convinced that this is the year we're finally going to win the cup. It's really exciting.

There's a golf course right near my house, and they have a notice board that always has witty sayings on it, and during playoffs time they're always Canucks related. There were a few rather witty ones over the past few weeks, but now they've started the countdown to the cup.
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Well, because Detroit is in the East. But I agree about Columbus. In fact, I think they may be moved first.

Thrashers are in the Southeast conference - I think Nashville would fit better than Columbus. All three (Detroit, Nashville and Columbus) have BRUTAL travel schedules due to their alignment in the west.

PFan: I know you recently saw Atlanta and your friend got mugged (I think I read that). Was that your only trip to Atlanta?

I had a pretty negative impression of Atlanta for a long time. Now that I am down here, I know that there is a staggering amount of wealth (OLD southern money). And I cannot go very far in my neighborhood without tripping over someone from New England, NY/NJ or Philly. If my wife is wearing some of her Red Sox apparel or I am wearing some of my Flyers apparel - we will have at least one person approach us to talk sports (unfortunately it is often someone from NY/northern NJ). Having headquarters like Coke, Home Depot, Turner, Delta, etc. fosters that type of growth in a city.

I am not a Thrasher fan (that could have changed over time) - I am just an NHL fan that is bummed I finally get "back" to an NHL city and then the team leaves. This also could affect the wife's job at their practice facility (she is not tied to the Thrashers though).
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It was three years ago, and the guy was just a guy I knew who wandered off like an idiot and deserved to get mugged. I liked the part of Atlanta I stayed in, don't get me wrong. I just noticed there were a lot of homeless people.

If you wanna talk about a southern city I don't like, we can talk about Dallas.
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There is a strong corporate culture here in Atlanta, and a load of Northeast transplants (I fit into both of those categories). This is my first "full" year here in Atlanta and looked into joining a season ticket group (backed out due to buying a house).
Dude, you are a nomad.
Thats like 367 major sports markets you've lived in over the past decade.
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Thrashers are in the Southeast conference - I think Nashville would fit better than Columbus. All three (Detroit, Nashville and Columbus) have BRUTAL travel schedules due to their alignment in the west.

PFan: I know you recently saw Atlanta and your friend got mugged (I think I read that). Was that your only trip to Atlanta?

I had a pretty negative impression of Atlanta for a long time. Now that I am down here, I know that there is a staggering amount of wealth (OLD southern money). And I cannot go very far in my neighborhood without tripping over someone from New England, NY/NJ or Philly. If my wife is wearing some of her Red Sox apparel or I am wearing some of my Flyers apparel - we will have at least one person approach us to talk sports (unfortunately it is often someone from NY/northern NJ). Having headquarters like Coke, Home Depot, Turner, Delta, etc. fosters that type of growth in a city.

I am not a Thrasher fan (that could have changed over time) - I am just an NHL fan that is bummed I finally get "back" to an NHL city and then the team leaves. This also could affect the wife's job at their practice facility (she is not tied to the Thrashers though).
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You're missing the main point, that Columbus is considered EAST while Nashville is considered WEST. As according to time zones, as well.

Detroit and Columbus are the two teams EAST that would have a higher likelihood of entering the EASTERN Conference. They also run on EST, making scheduling a ton easier. And no, Nashville is not '500 miles closer to us'. It's maaaaaybe 250 miles further away, and by flight that's like adding another 30 minutes.

Also, you're not taking into account that we're not the only ones in our division. Raleigh, North Carolina is probably closer to Columbus, anyways. Also, the Florida Panthers sole affiliate at the moment, ECHL's Cincinnati Cyclones, would be at a great advantage to have so close to a division rival.

Divisions are loosely based on the geography back when expansion and relocation were still popular and occurring. That's not the case anymore. Here are the potential cases -




Definite:

The Atlanta Thrashers become the Winnipeg Jets and move to the Northwest Division, removing the Colorado Avalanche from said division.

Probable:

The Colorado Avalanche join the Pacific Division, removing the Dallas Stars from said division.

The Dallas Stars take the vacant spot in the Central Division, where either Detroit, Columbus, or Nashville has left.


Scenarios:

- Detroit or Columbus joins the East and into the Atlantic Division and bumping either the New York Islanders or the Philadelphia Flyers into the Southeast Division
- Nashville or Columbus joins the East and into the Southeast Division filling in the vacant slot the Thrashers left.
- The NHL removes the division name Southeast and furthermore realigns the entire Eastern Conference under new division titles potentially putting a team like the Panthers in a new Atlantic Division.
- The NHL keeps the Winnipeg Jets in the East and creates a traveling nightmare so as to avoid a new scheduling nightmare, and resolves the issue a season later.
A bit on Nashville... while it's a very big possibility I think they'd be reluctant to choose Nashville because they're in a different time zone. It's hard to join the Eastern Conference if yo're not East.

And I think first and foremost you're joining the Eastern Conference before you're joining the Southeast Division.
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People always talk about Detroit moving to the East.

Don't forget about Columbus and Nashville, first. In fact, it will be interesting to see which team gets re-aligned to the Southeast. Or, if they do away with the naming of Southeast and rename all of the Eastern divisions and realign them all.
Detroit will never be allowed to move East, ever.

Should the Thrashers move, watch for Nashville to move. All Little Gary has to do is put them in the SE and call it good.

The Wings want to move East, most of us Wings fans WANT them to move East. But Little Gary will move a team that's been in the NHL for 11 years or so over one that's been in the NHL for 80+ years.

And why the hell isn't he fighting to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta anyway? He did it for the Coyotes. Shit if I remember right he did it for Pittsburgh. Someone was willing to buy the Pens in the early 00's, but wanted to move them to Portland or something. Little Gary wouldn't let them move, whoever bought the Pens had to keep them in Pittsburgh.
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Yes, and ones on those teams that don't have any fans. Such as the Florida Panthers, Florida Marlins, etc.

Except there are fans there, and lots of them
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Detroit will never be allowed to move East, ever.

Should the Thrashers move, watch for Nashville to move. All Little Gary has to do is put them in the SE and call it good.

The Wings want to move East, most of us Wings fans WANT them to move East. But Little Gary will move a team that's been in the NHL for 11 years or so over one that's been in the NHL for 80+ years.

And why the hell isn't he fighting to keep the Thrashers in Atlanta anyway? He did it for the Coyotes. Shit if I remember right he did it for Pittsburgh. Someone was willing to buy the Pens in the early 00's, but wanted to move them to Portland or something. Little Gary wouldn't let them move, whoever bought the Pens had to keep them in Pittsburgh.
I think that's got a little something to do with the fact that the Atlanta ownership could no longer support the actual franchise. There was simply nothing going good for Atlanta. Historically bad team, mediocre talent pool, poor ownership, poor management, and a dying attendance record.

Someone like Phoenix has decent management, a good talent pool, and a history of being a successful team, even for a short period of time. Although their attendance has been rather pitiful. But Bettman clearly doesn't care about attendance, and nor should outsider fans. It's the business that matters.
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Except, you know, I'd argue that Atlanta has a better crop of up and coming young players than Phoenix does.
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Yes, and ones on those teams that don't have any fans. Such as the Florida Panthers, Florida Marlins, etc.

Except there are fans there, and lots of them
There are fans, but certainly not lots of them. That's just disingenuous to say.
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If you insist.

Well, you can make that case for the Panthers, but not the Marlins.
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Except, you know, I'd argue that Atlanta has a better crop of up and coming young players than Phoenix does.
? Atlanta has one of the worst prospect pools in hockey, in my opinion. Phoenix is somewhere around the middle, I'd figure. Both teams however both given early graduations to a ton of players that probably should've seen some time in the Juniors and AHL.

I mean, we're talking about an organization in Atlanta that boasts Carl Klingberg as it's top prospect and a bunch of utter garbage following that. They do have some nice young NHL playres such as Evander Kane, Zach Bogosian, and Bryan Little. But that's nothing incredibly impressive.

With Phoenix you're talking about a nice group of relatively young players even if they're not flashy names. Guys like Korpikosky, Keith Yandle, etc. etc. not to mention OEL. And then they're backed by a relevant prospect pool with guys like Brett MacLean, Brandon Gormley, and Viktor Tikhonov.

There's a considerable gap between the Atlanta prospects and the Phoenix prospects, actually.
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Someone like Phoenix has decent management, a good talent pool, and a history of being a successful team, even for a short period of time. Although their attendance has been rather pitiful. But Bettman clearly doesn't care about attendance, and nor should outsider fans. It's the business that matters.

Good management? They had to be purchased by the league to avoid bankruptcy.

Yes...Nashville is in the CENTRAL time zone. One hour difference. Not that big of a deal. Plenty of other leagues have teams in multiple time zones in the same conference. Hell....the WESTERN CONFERENCE has/will have three time zones, It is a weak argument (have all of the teams in one time zone). Detroit or Columbus will still be screwed.

Evander Kane IS a pretty damn good prospect. Watch him play.
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