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Old 05-23-2011, 10:07 PM   #691
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Right - but there's no reason to discredit the 'fan' as opposed to the entire fanbase.

And that being said, the main reason why I said earlier that I feel bad is because it was indeed quite out of the blue. Once again, all of the rumblings were going on in Phoenix about a month ago. They were getting ready to basically become the Winnipeg Jets once again. Those fans were pissed off because they weren't going to get a chance to say goodbye. Now, neither do the real fans in Atlanta.
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Off topic.

But I don't suppose anyone happens to use NHLtorrents.co.uk?
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Bono_man, I'm curious as to how you started watching hockey. Forgive my ignorance, but I'm wondering if there are many hockey fans in Australia and, if so, if you get together to watch it or something? That would be fantastic.
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His AFL team isn't going very well, so he's got to look elsewhere for a sports fix
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You see, what you're doing here is misrepresenting the fan.

The fan goes to enough games, and does his or her part in creating attendance. The fan does not control attendance numbers and can only speak for his or herself.

They didn't ignore anything. There's still tons of fans who were passionate about that team who didn't deserve to lose it. And they got no heads up on it either. The team literally just got cut - like that.
As an Expos fan, I felt like my heart was being ripped out when they moved in 2004, so I understand this reasoning all too well.

Then again, circumstances turned a vibrant baseball market into an apathetic one, meaning fans weren't turning out to games.

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They really don't have enough fans to justify keeping the team there.
So I'm inclined to agree with Dan here. They had a 'Save the Thrashers' rally the other day, and only 200 fans or so turned out. Not really a convincing argument against moving, if you ask me.
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Hard to feel bad for them. 2nd team they've lost due to poor attendance. Those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it.
Let's stop blaming the fans here when the ownership group deserves all of the blame. First, they sued each other, and then once that was cleared up, they sued their own lawyers who drafted the original sale. They did very little to put a winning product on the ice to draw in an indecisive potential fan base. The Thrashers made the playoffs ONCE (and were out in four straight). It is my understanding that the arena sold out during the two playoffs games (something that even the Hawks struggle with).

There is a strong corporate culture here in Atlanta, and a load of Northeast transplants (I fit into both of those categories). This is my first "full" year here in Atlanta and looked into joining a season ticket group (backed out due to buying a house). I ended up going to seven games (mind you, tickets were left for me by three of the visiting teams for four of those games - but we did purchase tickets to the other three games).

IF you fail to put a decent product on the ice in a sport that is still unfamiliar for 65% of the population - you are not going to draw fans.

If you had an ownership group that put some effort into it - they may have received something in return and could have potentially found a local buyer.

I have been to games in Columbus and Long Island (plenty of games in Long Island) and have seen more fans at Thrashers games.

I will not go into the whole "Bettman saves Phoenix but screws Atlanta" argument. Just know that if Coyotes moved back to the Peg, the league would have missed out on the $60 Million transfer fee.
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Is there an example of hockey working in southern states? I can't think of one.
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So I'm inclined to agree with Dan here. They had a 'Save the Thrashers' rally the other day, and only 200 fans or so turned out. Not really a convincing argument against moving, if you ask me.
No, I'm not against moving them. It's unfortunate, but it's right.

What's wrong is cutting them off out of the random. Just packing up shop and leaving to Winnipeg without much notice.
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Is there an example of hockey working in southern states? I can't think of one.
It's worked to varying degrees of success in Tampa Bay, Dallas, and Raleigh. And if we're talking other non-traditional markets, the Bay Area and Orange County have been successful.

Nashville took a huge step forward this season with their playoff run.
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Bono_man, I'm curious as to how you started watching hockey. Forgive my ignorance, but I'm wondering if there are many hockey fans in Australia and, if so, if you get together to watch it or something? That would be fantastic.
I only started watching mid January after I played NHL 11 (now my favorite PS3 game) at a friends place (a new penguins fan) We then watched a few highlights of a few games. I picked Canucks as my team, only because Robin from How I Met Your Mother does. (well there's an EP where she's wearing Lungo's jersey....) anywho I had no idea they had one of the best teams in the league this year, but had never won the cup? I couldn't believe that...and they have had only what one trip to the finals?

Ice Hockey Is pretty much underground/alternative sport over here. It gets no coverage on the news (unless there is a freak accident) It's not even mentioned on cable TV at all until the playoffs. The only real way i've been able to watch any is through the gamecenter on NHL.com. So a small group of my friends occasionally get together to watch the games but most games fall during work hours.

The NBA is not too different, however with two Aussies in that league it gets a lot more airtime.


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I only started watching mid January after I played NHL 11 (now my favorite PS3 game) at a friends place (a new penguins fan) We then watched a few highlights of a few games. I picked Canucks as my team, only because Robin from How I Met Your Mother does. (well there's an EP where she's wearing Lungo's jersey....) anywho I had no idea they had one of the best teams in the league this year, but had never won the cup? I couldn't believe that...and they have had only what one trip to the finals?

Ice Hockey Is pretty much underground/alternative sport over here. It gets no coverage on the news (unless there is a freak accident) It's not even mentioned on cable TV at all until the playoffs. The only real way i've been able to watch any is through the gamecenter on NHL.com. So a small group of my friends occasionally get together to watch the games but most games fall during work hours.

The NBA is not too different, however with two Aussies in that league it gets a lot more airtime.
Picking a team because of Scherbatsky? I find no fault with that.

Seriously, that's cool. I'm glad you're enjoying the games thus far.
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Is there an example of hockey working in southern states? I can't think of one.
Depends. I think all of them are capable of working, but perhaps not all at the same time?

Take Washington for example. Used to be the laughing stock of the league in terms of winning and attendance. Now they're great with both. They're a southern team that certainly is thriving at the moment. A little someone named Alexander Ovechkin made that happen.

The Hurricanes? They tend to put on a pretty good attendance record, despite not always being in the playoffs.

Florida during the late 90s?
http://www.rattrick.com/images/rattr..._ice_large.jpg


The Dallas Stars until this season? Phenomenal attendance record. Also, a winning team for the past 10+ years.

You'd just like to believe that it's because these teams are in the South that they have mediocre attendances. Yes, bad teams in the South wont survive. That rests in management just as much as it rests in the fans, though. The Panthers have been a losing team for over a decade now. They're not competitive, so nobody cares.

In short, no, a perennial loser in the South wont make it (Atlanta) unless they've got a sweet deal allowing them to (Florida). A competitive team in the South works just fine.
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Also, I posit that a truly healthy NHL will include a team in Winnipeg and Quebec City and possibly relocating a struggling franchise to a U.S. market like Seattle, Portland, or Milwaukee if enthusiastic and stable local ownership can be found.

Seattle and/or Portland would make sense because you'd have a natural rivalry with Vancouver right away, and it would cut down on travel costs and time for other Western Conference teams - especially if Detroit is moved to the East.
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People always talk about Detroit moving to the East.

Don't forget about Columbus and Nashville, first. In fact, it will be interesting to see which team gets re-aligned to the Southeast. Or, if they do away with the naming of Southeast and rename all of the Eastern divisions and realign them all.
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