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Old 03-11-2011, 05:44 PM   #361
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Pacioretty didn't exactly have a choice with a 6'9" guy riding him into it now did he?
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If the speed of the game is that slow, why didn't Pacioretty see the support beam and adjust his path?
Because he was chasing the puck, was ready to blow by Chara, and at that point even if he is aware that the stanchion is there, there's a certain inherent trust that an opposing player is not going to smash your head into a pole.

Basically, it's analogous to everyday life: we put our faith in others all the time not to do us harm, like when we're driving on a highway, for example. But if someone runs into us, they should be held accountable.
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Old 03-11-2011, 06:00 PM   #363
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Pacioretty didn't exactly have a choice with a 6'9" guy riding him into it now did he?
Well I often get this in the basketball thread... so it's my turn now.

Have you ever played hockey? It has become second nature for a player to finish his check. And while Chara might've known he was in a somewhat dangerous area, you'd really have to have a ton of things fall in place to purposely do that.

You can't premeditate something like that from the angle Chara had on the hit. Yeah, it was a late hit, but it probably wouldn't have been called at all had it been against a pane of glass.

Chara's mind is in at most two places. Here is Parcioretty against the boards that I'm going to hit, and there is the puck.

Chara is still absolutely responsible for the hit, but it was hardly intentional in an manner.
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Because he was chasing the puck, was ready to blow by Chara
That's 2 minutes for interference.

At the referee's discretion, this can be a major, or even a game misconduct. I'm only disputing a multi-game suspension here.
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That's 2 minutes for interference.

At the referee's discretion, this can be a major, or even a game misconduct. I'm only disputing a multi-game suspension here.
Absolutely it's interference, but upon finishing checks it's hardly ever even called. Chara's responsible for the interference, and thus responsible for what happened to Parcioretty.

But I highly doubt he had any idea that he was going to nearly kill him.
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Well I often get this in the basketball thread... so it's my turn now.

Have you ever played hockey? It has become second nature for a player to finish his check. And while Chara might've known he was in a somewhat dangerous area, you'd really have to have a ton of things fall in place to purposely do that.

You can't premeditate something like that from the angle Chara had on the hit. Yeah, it was a late hit, but it probably wouldn't have been called at all had it been against a pane of glass.

Chara's mind is in at most two places. Here is Parcioretty against the boards that I'm going to hit, and there is the puck.

Chara is still absolutely responsible for the hit, but it was hardly intentional in an manner.
I have played hockey, but it's hardly the point. The point is I can see Chara in that video looking up and seeing where he's going. Parcioretty is looking at the puck.

I didn't say he premeditated it, as in he knew ten seconds before. I'm saying he saw the pole and didn't pull up. Didn't even have a second thought. Hit him right into it and kept on going. Didn't bat an eye. Didn't care.

He knew exactly what he hit him into.
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Absolutely it's interference, but upon finishing checks it's hardly ever even called. Chara's responsible for the interference, and thus responsible for what happened to Parcioretty.

But I highly doubt he had any idea that he was going to nearly kill him.
Agreed. Things happen in the heat of the moment. So even though I might not agree with the game misconduct, it's ok with me.

I just think a suspension is unwarranted. The NHL agrees.
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I have played hockey, but it's hardly the point. The point is I can see Chara in that video looking up and seeing where he's going. Parcioretty is looking at the puck.

I didn't say he premeditated it, as in he knew ten seconds before. I'm saying he saw the pole and didn't pull up. Didn't even have a second thought. Hit him right into it and kept on going. Didn't bat an eye. Didn't care.

He knew exactly what he hit him into.
It is the point, especially when it's the point about every flippin conversation in the other thread.

You can see Chara and Parcioretty skating hard after a loose puck. Parcioretty beats Chara to the puck and gets rid of the puck asap. You clearly don't understand how fast things are moving. Try and pause that video. Parcioretty picks that puck up at around 0:02:50. At that point, Chara's head is focused completely on the puck.

It's only at about 0:03:50 that Chara has his head up and Parcioretty has dumped the puck. At about 0:04:00 Parcioretty is face first in the beam.

There is less than a second where Chara can physically see that beam right there, and he's already half way through finishing his check. Yeah, easy to say it looks so long on video, and when they show it in slow motion. Try being out there, and try being in Chara's position. Come back to me when you think Chara simply just 'didn't care' and put Parcioretty into the beam.
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I think he saw it way more than .5 seconds before he hit the pole, and that's my entire point.

And it's the point of the conversation in the other thread because you said you don't even pay attention to that part of the game.
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No, I think he was going to check him, saw the support beam, and didn't care. It's not like he set out saying, "I'm going to check him into a support beam," but it didn't deter him in the least.
In other words, Chara purposely hit him with the knowledge that he might strike the support beam. No way. He's not that type of player. I doubt the stanchion even entered his mind. We're talking a couple of seconds here.
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In other words, Chara purposely hit him with the knowledge that he might strike the support beam.
Yes. That's what I saw after a number of viewings of that video.
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Like I said, no way.
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Simple disagreement, I guess.
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