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Old 08-11-2010, 11:37 AM   #16
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I'm not pissed about it at all, sorry. It was a bogus deal and I'm glad that it was rejected and that the arbitration case was won by the league.

My only criticism of the league is that it took them this long to start fighting against such contracts. But better late than never.

I'm an Islander fan as well, and while my dislike of the Rangers is stronger than that which I have for any other team, I have no love for the Devils at all.
I agree with all of this. I actually went to THE ROCK and those people sucked balls. Probably didn't help that the Devils destroyed the Islanders that day (6-1 or something awful) but still. Some fat woman scoffed at my two year old daughter for wearing an Islander's jersey. Slob.

The deal was ridiculous and even Lou Lamorillo (who I really like) somewhat sort of admitted he thought it was a joke. This should have stopped with Hossa.
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It was massively front loaded.

The NHL's salary cap is as follows: each team has to reach a minimum of $43.4 million in salaries or a maximum of $59.4 million for the 2010-2011 season.

The cap hit, or the amount of a contract that counts against the cap, is the average salary over the life of that contract. So the cap hit for Kovalchuk's contract over 17 years was $6 million. However, he was slated to receive $95 million over the first 10 years of the contract and just $7 million over the last seven years.

Additionally, at 27 years old, Kovalchuk would be 44 when the contract expires. If he would decide to retire after age 35, then the New Jersey Devils would be off the hook for his salary AND the contract does not count against the cap.

The NHL says the Devils negotiated the contract in "bad faith", which in the CBA is grounds for nullification of contracts, and it's hard to argue against that.
Here is a previous post I made in the other thread:

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...here is the reported breakdown of Kovy's contract:

2010-2011: $6 million
2011-2012: $6 million
2012-2013: $11.5 million
2013-2014: $11.5 million
2014-2015: $11.5 million
2015-2016: $11.5 million
2016-2017: $11.5 million
2017-2018: $10.5 million
2018-2019: $8.5 million
2019-2020: $6.5 million
2020-2021: $3.5 million
2021-2022: $750,000
2022-2023: $550,000
2023-2024: $550,000
2024-2025: $550,000
2025-2026: $550,000
2026-2027: $550,000
they clearly made this contract knowing that he would not be around for the last 6 years...
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Old 08-11-2010, 01:20 PM   #18
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they clearly made this contract knowing that he would not be around for the last 6 years...
As much as it pains me to agree with scum like you, here is a comparison of some of the longest contracts:

Rick DiPietro, New York Islanders
Signed Sept. 2006
15 years, $67.5 million


2006-2007: $4.5 million
2007-2008: $4.5 million
2008-2009: $4.5 million
2009-2010: $4.5 million
2010-2011: $4.5 million
2011-2012: $4.5 million
2012-2013: $4.5 million
2013-2014: $4.5 million
2014-2015: $4.5 million
2015-2016: $4.5 million
2016-2017: $4.5 million
2017-2018: $4.5 million
2018-2019: $4.5 million
2019-2020: $4.5 million
2020-2021: $4.5 million


Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals
Signed: January 2008
13 years, $124 million

2008-2009: $9 million
2009-2010: $9 million
2010-2011: $9 million
2011-2012: $9 million
2012-2013: $9 million
2013-2014: $9 million
2014-2015: $10 million
2015-2016: $10 million
2016-2017: $10 million
2017-2018: $10 million
2018-2019: $10 million
2019-2020: $10 million
2020-2021: $10 million



So while we're on the topic of the Islanders and term limits, you can see that while DiPietro's deal is 15 years, the salary remains consistent throughout. Similarly, Ovechkin's deal actually increases later in the contract. Therefore, you can obviously see how Lamoriello and Kovalchuk attempted to circumvent the salary cap, and how the NHL deems it was negotiated in "bad faith", which is a term specifically stated in the CBA as grounds for nullification of a contract.
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The deal was ridiculous and even Lou Lamorillo (who I really like) somewhat sort of admitted he thought it was a joke. This should have stopped with Hossa.
Agreed. In fact, Lou has gone on to say how he hates long-term contracts. Part of me wonders if he did this on purpose to get the league to stop approving these long-term contracts.
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As much as it pains me to agree with scum like you, here is a comparison of some of the longest contracts:

Rick DiPietro, New York Islanders
Signed Sept. 2006
15 years, $67.5 million


2006-2007: $4.5 million
2007-2008: $4.5 million
2008-2009: $4.5 million
2009-2010: $4.5 million
2010-2011: $4.5 million
2011-2012: $4.5 million
2012-2013: $4.5 million
2013-2014: $4.5 million
2014-2015: $4.5 million
2015-2016: $4.5 million
2016-2017: $4.5 million
2017-2018: $4.5 million
2018-2019: $4.5 million
2019-2020: $4.5 million
2020-2021: $4.5 million


Alexander Ovechkin, Washington Capitals
Signed: January 2008
13 years, $124 million

2008-2009: $9 million
2009-2010: $9 million
2010-2011: $9 million
2011-2012: $9 million
2012-2013: $9 million
2013-2014: $9 million
2014-2015: $10 million
2015-2016: $10 million
2016-2017: $10 million
2017-2018: $10 million
2018-2019: $10 million
2019-2020: $10 million
2020-2021: $10 million



So while we're on the topic of the Islanders and term limits, you can see that while DiPietro's deal is 15 years, the salary remains consistent throughout. Similarly, Ovechkin's deal actually increases later in the contract. Therefore, you can obviously see how Lamoriello and Kovalchuk attempted to circumvent the salary cap, and how the NHL deems it was negotiated in "bad faith", which is a term specifically stated in the CBA as grounds for nullification of a contract.

I agree with your comparison of DiPietro's and Ovechkin's contracts. But if you're going to void the contract on Lou and Kovie you have to do the same for Pronger's and Luongo's. They drop drastically just like Kovie's contract in the last few years and they both go past the age of 40.

Consistency is all I'm asking for here. The league won't void their contracts though. I think this 'investigation' is just being done to appease Lou.
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If anyone wants to read the 20-page report from the arbitrator.

Quite a great read.

Arbitrator's Ruling.
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While Hossa and Pronger's contracts are ridiculous as well, Kovie's contract took it to another level where the NHL finally had to step in and do something to prevent more of these kind of contracts in the future.
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The Luongo, Hossa, Pronger and Savard contracts are being investigated per the arbitrator's rulings.

With the Hossa contract, if his contract is found to be cap circumvention, Bettman has the ability to take the Stanley Cup away from the Blackhawks since technically he shouldn't have been part of the roster.

I hate Bettman.
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If I remember right, didn't the NHL look at the Hossa contract last year??

The Zetterberg and Franzen contracts are not being looked at so I'm happy.

Bettman does need to go away, but I don't see that happening any time soon.
I was disapointed in the amount of booing he got from Flyers fans this past season. At least it didn't come across that loud on TV. We boo'd him so loudly in Detroit the season before I couldn't hear a damn word he was saying. Not sure how is translated on TV since I haven't brought myself to watch the game yet. At this point I figure I was there so I don't want to see it again.
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what the hell was that? fucking Kaberle....
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It's not his fault that Ferguson gave everyone and their mother a no trade clause.
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what the hell was that? fucking Kaberle....
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what the hell was that? fucking Kaberle....
Burke is gonna deal him at the deadline for a better haul. Kaberle will go to a contender, so he'll be happy. Burke will either get picks or prospects, so he'll be happy.
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Burke is gonna deal him at the deadline for a better haul. Kaberle will go to a contender, so he'll be happy. Burke will either get picks or prospects, so he'll be happy.
Burke wants a Top 6 forward, which is why he says he didn't deal Kaberle.
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But will Kaberle waive his NTC at the trade deadline? He hasn't in the past, so I cannot see him waiving it this year.
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