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Old 06-04-2016, 12:06 PM   #16
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I assume most don't know of the existence of this:

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The guy gave up his career and championship title in his prime to protest the Vietnam War, and was banned for years from the sport for his pacifist beliefs. Think about that. Jordan left basketball at his peak to play baseball in an act of hubris. The gulf speaks volumes.
You can't pay your respects without slapping MJ down? Not for nothing, but his playing baseball had as much to do with grieving and coming to terms with his father's murder, I think, as it did anything else.

Anyway, RIP Ali. Unquestionably one of the most influential and recognizable athletes and personalities ever. Not to mention arguably the GOAT boxer.
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Old 06-04-2016, 01:33 PM   #18
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You can't pay your respects without slapping MJ down? Not for nothing, but his playing baseball had as much to do with grieving and coming to terms with his father's murder, I think, as it did anything else.

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Or avoiding a season long NBA suspension for a gambling scandal that was kept hush hush as a result.
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"Republicans buy shoes too" -- Michael Jordan's explanation for refusing to endorse a progressive African American candidate running against racist piece of shit Jesse Helms in North Carolina, where Jordan went to school and had much influence.
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Or avoiding a season long NBA suspension for a gambling scandal that was kept hush hush as a result.
I know that's a conspiracy theory that's been around forever, but there's no evidence of it being true.
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Old 06-04-2016, 02:30 PM   #21
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"Republicans buy shoes too" -- Michael Jordan's explanation for refusing to endorse a progressive African American candidate running against racist piece of shit Jesse Helms in North Carolina, where Jordan went to school and had much influence.
I'm not arguing that he's some great person or anything, I'm well aware that he's a very flawed person to say the least, I'm just saying I don't see why you have to sneak in a jab at him in a context that has nothing to do with him.
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He's regularly mentioned when people talk about the greatest/most popular athletes of all time.

So there is certainly context.
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Keep in mind, when he was drafted, he was 25, correct me if I'm wrong, but at that time, most young men who were drafted were 18 or 19?
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Corporatisation. https://twitter.com/MattBinder/statu...29361673502720
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Matt Binder get off your F'in high horse. The Yum center is the largest arena in Louisville, Ali's hometown. So it has a corporate sponsor name, almost every sports arena does these days.
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Apples and oranges.
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One of our payTV channels just showed the Thriller in Manilla. I'd actually never seen it, didn't know the history or the result cos I'm not into boxing. Utterly amazing viewing.
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Yeah, that was the first thing I watched. I'm interested in the stories behind boxing, but not the actual sport (think Boom Boom Mancini/Duk Koo Kim, or the weird and wonderful stuff Tyson does in the ring), but that fight, and the story behind how Ali won it is fascinating to watch.

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The Ali camp used the championship as leverage in negotiations, and won out on two key points. The ring size of 21 feet (6.4 m) square allowed him the ability to move and circle the ring if he so chose, which would enable him to use his superior boxing skills to his advantage. He also got his preference for 8-ounce (230 g) gloves, which were smaller and less padded than those used in most heavyweight bouts. According to Ali's ring doctor, Ferdie Pacheco, Ali planned to take advantage of Frazier's reputation as a slow starter, and use his superior reach and hand speed to attack Frazier exclusively with punches to the head in the early rounds in the hopes of scoring a knockout, or at least doing enough damage to Frazier to prevent him from fighting effectively as the bout wore on.[9]
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