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Old 12-17-2012, 12:23 PM   #481
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They're pretty much conceding that nest year they'll stink... again... and aside from resigning wright they won't be investing in the team this year... again... and despite sucking since 2007 we're still far enough away from contention that we need to trade for guys who won't be a meaningful part of the team for two years or more... again.
This is why I think sometimes "blowing up" teams is slightly overrated and should only be done as a worst-case alternative. There is a lot of fluctuation from year to year that can make teams competitive (look at the As and Orioles last year). Asking a fanbase to accept losing for several years, while taking on the risks associated with developing prospects, is a difficult proposition. It was probably needed for the Mets due to their financial difficulties (and I think they got a good deal with Dickey). But alienating a fanbase is a tough thing to do, especially when you need to convince them to come back to the stadium.
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The problem isn't the blowing it up... Its that they've been blowing it up for 5 years and now next year will be 6.

I do like that alderson is trying to restock what was a depleted farm system... but that it got THIS depleted that its taking so long just to even sniff competitiveness just goes to show how incredibly incompetent the wilpons have been in running this franchise.
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Old 12-17-2012, 05:12 PM   #483
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What I'm trying to say is that it's usually incredibly difficult to become competitive again once you blow up. For each case of a successful rebuilding, there are many cases of unsuccessful ones. In some cases it's inevitable (and I think this was the Mets' situation due to the Wilpons as you say), but I would avoid a total blow up unless strictly necessary.
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I don't know, the A's seem to blow it up all the time and then compete a year or two later.
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I think I burned myself on that stove, its too fucking hot!

Ladies and gentlemen, your 2012 Toronto Blue Jays.
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Ladies and gentlemen, your 2012 Toronto Blue Jays.
Went 73-89 and took 4th place in their division!
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Meh, you could probably quote most of my posts if you wanted to do that...
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http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/17/sp...eid=auto&_r=1&
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What I'm trying to say is that it's usually incredibly difficult to become competitive again once you blow up. For each case of a successful rebuilding, there are many cases of unsuccessful ones. In some cases it's inevitable (and I think this was the Mets' situation due to the Wilpons as you say), but I would avoid a total blow up unless strictly necessary.
Usually the unsuccessful ones happen because the same people who fucked it up the first time are still running the show.
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I really want the Phillies to sign Cody Ross. Forgive me, but I want to break down a projected roster if they get Ross. I will spoiler it for those who don't care, but I love this kind of shit:

 
1. Ben Revere - CF
2. Jimmy Rollins - SS
3. Chase Utley - 2B
4. Ryan Howard - 1B
5. Cody Ross - RF
6. Dom Brown - LF
7. Carlos Ruiz - C [After Suspension]
8. Michael Young - 3B

Bench: Eric Kratz, Freddy Galvis, Kevin Frandsen, Darin Ruf, Ender Inciarte

Rotation: Cole Hamels, Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Kyle Kendrick, John Lannan
Bullpen: Tyler Cloyd, Phillipe Aumont, Justin De Fratus, Antonio Bastardo, Jeremy Horst, Mike Adams, Jonathan Papelbon

You start the season with Kratz at catcher and Sebastian Valle on the bench till Ruiz gets back from suspension. It's 25 games and Kratz can hit. Shouldn't be a huge loss and prevents Ruiz from breaking down.

Obviously, there are several guesses here. The bullpen is a mystery beyond Papelbon and Adams, though the addition of Adams alone makes this bullpen way better than it was last year. I like the idea of Cloyd as a long man as opposed to a starter, and Aumont and De Fratus have way more talent than Joe Savery or Michael Schwimmer ever showed last year. That leaves two spots for lefties. Bastardo will have to lose the job to lose his spot, and Horst looked better to me than Valdes did.

The bench is also interesting. Kratz will be a lock. Galvis will too since he can play shortstop and second. And Inciarte has to stay because he is Rule Five. That leaves two spots and four guys: Kevin Frandsen (3B), Darin Ruf (1B/LF), Laynce Nix (OF) and John Mayberry (OF). Frandsen probably has the best shot because of how he played down the stretch and the questions about Young at this age, but his numbers were inflated by luck: a very high BABIP. He doesn't walk much, either. Still, it feels like his job to lose. That leaves three guys for one spot. Nix is almost definitely the odd man out. He's done nothing. Ruf is the younger guy with the greater potential, but I could see them sending him back down to the minors to continue developing if they feel that Mayberry can be the last man off the bench and spell Brown from time to time.

Of course, they have to sign Ross for this to happen, so who knows.
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LL Piss, this is the sort of stuff I used to doodle in High School. And College. And when I first started working at a desk. And last week in a big meeting. I wrote down projected lineups vs. LHP and RHP based on current roster, and a few based on potential FA acquisitions.
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Yeah, the Mike Adams signing was excellent. I was hoping we would grab that fucker.
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Where's Bourn going to wind up?
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