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Old 12-11-2008, 06:26 AM   #91
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If the Red Sox signed CC, Sox fans would sing a different tune, GAF. That's just how it works. If we sign Lowe, it'll be a mistake, but if they do, great move. It works in reverse as well, of course. CC might not work out for the length of his deal, but anyone that feels like he will not pitch well the next few years is kidding himself.
Actually, with the opt-out clause, the contract is more like 3/69MM with a player option for 4/92MM. Ostensibly CC asked for the opt-out clause "in case he doesn't like New York", but what's going to happen is that if he pitches well for the first 3 years and the economy recovers, he'll opt out and get an even bigger contract. If he sucks/gets injured/etc., he'll just shut his trap and collect the rest of the $92 million.

The initial 3-year contract is fine. The full 7-year contract could hurt towards the end though, and giving up the player option makes it worse.
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Sean Green's not too bad himself. If JJ's in top form, the Mets will have the best 8th-9th inning punch in the game.
Don't I recall you stating in the spring Putz was the premier closer in the game?

If I were a Mets fan I'd be worried about this move.
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CC a Yankee?.....The official results from the 2009 AL Championship Series are already in. The Red Sox just won games 1 and 5.
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The only question with CC will be how he handles the spotlight of NYC and the media...a tad different than Cleveland and Milwaukee.

A few players have had their issues when they jumped to the Yanks, Mets or Red Sox, see examples like Kevin Brown, Jeff Suppan, Edgar Renteria and others.

I think Sabathia will be fine, but one never knows until he gets there.
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This move is like plugging a pipe at both ends when the leak is in the middle. The Mets still need to get from their starters to Rodriguez, and that is where their biggest problem was last year.

I'd much rather have Lidge than Rodriguez.
if baseball games were 8 innings long the mets would have won the NL East by 8+ games.

the inability to have a solid 9th inning made the 6th through 8th worse, because the bullpen had to be stretched and used in ways that it wasn't prepared to be used in. as a phillies "fan" you should know this... lidge's success this year made the entire bullpen better.

now the mets have added putz as well, so they've solidified the 8th and the 9th innings... which means feliciano can be a specialist again, etc. etc. everyone else can just pitch their role instead of being asked to do something they're not set out to do.

lidge had a great season last year... there's no denying that. only someone who is idiotic and impartial could say that he didn't. but to say that you'd MUCH rather have lidge than rodriguez (and putz), like it's no contest? please... considering lidge's history prior to coming to philadelphia, he's still one blown save away from a complete mitch williams style meltdown.
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Don't I recall you stating in the spring Putz was the premier closer in the game?

If I were a Mets fan I'd be worried about this move.
why?

the mariners got a lot back in return for putz... carp could be a 30 homerun first baseman... he's very similar to mike jacobs but with less strikeouts. and they got gutierez from cleveland in the deal as well, who is someone they coveted. the mariners are cutting costs and trying to rebuild after their dreadful season.

was putz the "premier closer in the game?" no.. that was just silly talk. i believe the same person who said that said the mariners were "one bat away from a division title." but putz was/is a top 10 closer in the league, with a fastball in the high 90's.

at the very least he's a serious upgrade over aaron heilman, and that alone makes the move well worth it.
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I think Hewson was being sarcastic there, based on tourist's comments from last spring.
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If the Red Sox signed CC, Sox fans would sing a different tune, GAF. That's just how it works. If we sign Lowe, it'll be a mistake, but if they do, great move. It works in reverse as well, of course. CC might not work out for the length of his deal, but anyone that feels like he will not pitch well the next few years is kidding himself.
Nice try, but I'd think the same thing if the Sox had signed him. Is he ok in the regular season? Sure. Is he ok in the playoffs? Hell no. He's the A-Rod of pitching.

I've never been high on Sabathia.

Now if the Yankees sign Lowe, I'd consider that a good move.
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If the Red Sox signed CC, Sox fans would sing a different tune, GAF. That's just how it works. If we sign Lowe, it'll be a mistake, but if they do, great move. It works in reverse as well, of course. CC might not work out for the length of his deal, but anyone that feels like he will not pitch well the next few years is kidding himself.

Did I just read that the Mets traded for JJ Putz? Wow, they're not fucking around with the 'pen.
11-10 4.12
15-10 4.03
12-11 3.22
19-7 3.21
6-8 3.83

those are the last 5 seasons in the AL for C.C. Sabathia. That warranted making him the highest paid pitcher in baseball history?

i think it's a good move for the yankees and one that they had to make... that said, they paid waaaaay too much for him, and he's far more valuable in the NL than in the AL.

even if Sabathia wins 20 games next year... all they did was replace Mussina's 20 wins with Sabathia's 20 wins at twice the price.

it could turn out to be a great great great move for the yankees if he pitches like he did in milwaukee. but there has to be some question marks about giving that much money to an overweight pitcher who obviously didn't want to be in New York, so much so that he made sure to get an early opt-out clause in his contract.

i'd say it's likely that he'll be great, but it's not out of the question that it could turn into a kevin brown type of signing.

still... what's the yankee rotation right now?
1. sabathia
2. wong
3. hughes??
4. guidry???

they've got a ton of holes to fill in yet before they can be good.

they apparently traded melkey for cameron... terrible move for them. another all or nothing guy... homerun or strikeout with a mid 200's tops batting average. great fielder, though.
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I think Hewson was being sarcastic there, based on tourist's comments from last spring.
what is this sarcasm of which you speak?
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I just had a mood swing so great that it made me wonder if I am not manic depressive. I was really excited that the Tigers traded for Edwin Jackson until it dawned on me that the very fact that I am excited about acquiring Edwin Jackson shows how fucked up our rotation is at this moment.

Starting Rotation
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5. Nate Robertson?

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it could turn out to be a great great great move for the yankees if he pitches like he did in milwaukee. .
No way he pitches that well in the AL, especially the AL East.
The numbers he put up in a half season in Seligtown were remarkable and earned him his big payday, but lets not forget his 17 NL starts included 3 against the Murderer's Row Reds, 3 against the Gashouse Gang Pirates, 2 against the Wallbanger Padres and a shutout against the thumping NAtionals...he isn't posting a 1.65 ERA when he has to face the Red Sox, Devil Rays, and the rest of the AL.

He'll be good, but I think like you said, he'll basically replace Mussina's 2008 numbers, not exceed them.
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the more i think of it the more the sabathia signing has kevin brown written all over it.

i mean if they were talking about roy halladay or roy oswalt? absolutely... i'd throw that kinda cash at him in a heart beat. if doc halladay can get himself to the national league this season or next he'll be a near lock to win 20+ games each year, win multiple cy youngs and get himself into cooperstown.
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BUT...he can play everyday as a D.H. so the Yanks get their $$ out of him...

/JK.
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BUT...he can play everyday as a D.H. so the Yanks get their $$ out of him...

/JK.
I bet he'd like to.
He claimed he wanted to stay in the NL, largely because he enjoys batting. But of course money talks.
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