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Old 12-04-2010, 01:28 PM   #31
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Isn't the Padres GM a former Red Sox front office guy?
Yeah, Hoyer used to be with the Sox, which is why the deal makes sense, although not for what you are getting at. More because they'd have more knowledge about these prospects than other teams, and they will probably get some legitimate players down the road, especially Casey Kelly.

But it's still a steal for the Sox; they have so many prospects nowadays that they can afford to part with some of the more highly prized ones.
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Good week to be an American League baseball team with the word "Sox" in your name.
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Yeah, Hoyer used to be with the Sox, which is why the deal makes sense, although not for what you are getting at. More because they'd have more knowledge about these prospects than other teams, and they will probably get some legitimate players down the road, especially Casey Kelly.

But it's still a steal for the Sox; they have so many prospects nowadays that they can afford to part with some of the more highly prized ones.
That was a tongue in cheek comment, sorry if it came across the wrong way. It is a steal, though. I know Kelly has been well regarded, but if you look at his numbers he seems more like a hyped prospect than anything else. Recent comparable trades (Teixeira to the Braves, Lee to the Rangers for a half year rental) have obtained much more. But kudos to the Red Sox for getting him, this will be a very good lineup, especially if you guys get Werth.

Another issue, though, is that the revenue sharing system is becoming laughable when a team like the Padres decides not to increase payroll to resign the face of their franchise and the player who almost led them to the playoffs last year (1 game behind the eventual champions). Some owners are getting richer by pocketing the revenue sharing money.
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Can't argue with that. And they wonder why they don't retain fan interest there.
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1. When did the word "fleece" join the common vocabulary in sports discussion? That shit bugs me.

2. Let's maybe wait until the prospects Boston sent have time to develop before we call it a "fleecing." It looks like this Casey Kelly cat is very highly regarded.
Robbed, stolen, whatever. It's almost always good policy to trade prospects for established stars in their prime.

It's good for Boston fans, maybe not so much for baseball as a whole.
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They've got the Captain and Mo. Now it's time for Cliff Lee.
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Wow. I can't believe how little the Red Sox had to pay to get Gonzales. They still have a good group of prospects intact in the event that they want to go after Upton or Greinke or something. It would be nice for the Sox if they could keep both Adrians and move Youkilis to DH/backup corners because the only thing I really dislike about the deal is that it probably means Beltre's much more likely to come back to the AL West to usurp the crown of 3Bdom from Hard Cock (or is it Stiff Johnson?). And I like Beltre. And if he played for the Angels, I'd have to hate him. And that would be a shame.
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really hope they can't agree on a deal and he has to go back to san diego
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Robbed, stolen, whatever. It's almost always good policy to trade prospects for established stars in their prime.

It's good for Boston fans, maybe not so much for baseball as a whole.
Would you prefer if they just waited for him to be a free agent instead?
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Wow. I can't believe how little the Red Sox had to pay to get Gonzales. They still have a good group of prospects intact in the event that they want to go after Upton or Greinke or something. It would be nice for the Sox if they could keep both Adrians and move Youkilis to DH/backup corners because the only thing I really dislike about the deal is that it probably means Beltre's much more likely to come back to the AL West to usurp the crown of 3Bdom from Hard Cock (or is it Stiff Johnson?). And I like Beltre. And if he played for the Angels, I'd have to hate him. And that would be a shame.
Boston already picked up Ortiz's 1-year option for 2011, so Youk is moving to 3B and Beltre is gone (unless they try to move Youk to LF, which would be Yakety Sax-level embarrassing).
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Red Sox unable to complete deal for Padres' Adrian Gonzalez - MLB - SI.com

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My late condolences for Santo and for the Cubs fans. I always sympathize with fans losing their announcers. Harry Kalas' death last year still stings. And I fear our only other good announcer, Scott Franzke, will end up with the Impster Rangers soon since he's a Dallas guy.
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Carl Crawford is gonna get paid.

All of a sudden this offseason may become more palatable...
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