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Old 12-29-2010, 10:03 AM   #286
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i laughed... despite the falsification of the "phillie fans invade every ballpark like they always do" line, which has been true for about 3 years, because before that citizen's bank and the vet were half filled with met fans every time the two teams played, but alas... funny none the less.
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Old 12-29-2010, 10:52 AM   #287
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I don't think they meant that Phils fans invade every ballpark, just The National's. I know that the one time I visited D.C. I saw way more people there in Phillieswear than I did Nats (I'm trying to remember if I saw any Nat's fans)
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Well its impossible to not have more fans of whoever the nats are playing... that's like knick fans bragging about more knick fans at net games.

Duh.
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I don't think they meant that Phils fans invade every ballpark, just The National's. I know that the one time I visited D.C. I saw way more people there in Phillieswear than I did Nats (I'm trying to remember if I saw any Nat's fans)
That park is a beautiful ballpark. Can't really share my opinion though on fan invasions... when I went to a Marlins/Nats game there, I was certainly a minority

The Marlins usually get invaded by the Mets, and split our own crowd with the Phillies too. And God forbid the Yankees have interleague play in Miami, it's packed with Yankee fans. New York > Miami in Florida (getting used to calling them the Miami Marlins a year ahead ) Philly, they split.

Hopefully that's not the case in Miami.
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That's because there are even fewer marlin fans than national fans.

I don't understand why sport leagues continue to put teams in transplant cities... Usually doesn't work out too well
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When was the last time a pro sports league contracted instead of just shuffling a team to another city?
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Unless it was quickly followed by expansion.. I dont think any of the four major NA leagues have gone through with contraction as a permanent fix. It's always been relocation and expansion.

And @ Headache... it's a business. Can they sell seats/generate income?

Plenty of teams do can do it. It just so happens that most teams in transplant cities also suck. Take a look at the bandwagon fans for the Marlins in 2003. People showed up. The Marlins, if I'm not mistaken, have been a profitable team for the past half decade. I know, revenue sharing, yada yada, but in the end all 30 teams equal, they're doing what they gotta do.
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In 2003, Florida was 28th in the league in attendance, averaging 16,290 fans a game.
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Try the playoffs, Final MLB Postseason Attendance: Marlins Take The Crown, and the subsequent two seasons, where they saw a spike in attendance by an average of 6,000 + per home game.

Until the sudden drop off of attendance after the 2006 fire-sale. The epitomy of bandwagon fans. People showed up for a winning team.
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more people attend playoff games? no way!
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Crazy!

Seriously, though, they won the World Series and still barely filled half the stadium the year afterward.
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Regardless, I'm not debating whether or not the Marlins have good attendance. The point was clear... more fans showed up for a winning team. That was my point... what's yours?
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My point was in response to this:
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Plenty of teams do can do it. It just so happens that most teams in transplant cities also suck. Take a look at the bandwagon fans for the Marlins in 2003. People showed up.
People didn't show up outside of the actual playoff games themselves. They had a winning team and their attendance was still horrible.
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Uhh... you must've missed the 2nd part.

After winning the World Series... the Marlins attendance raised by almost 40% for two full seasons.

People did show up outside of the actual playoff games. They might not have good attendance, but there was a clear difference between when the Marlins were good and when the Marlins were not so good. To the tune of 6,000 fans. If you dont think that that's a big difference... well...
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In 2004, Florida ranked 26th in Major League Baseball in attendance, with an average of attendance of 22,091 per game.

That's fucking awful attendance.
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