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Old 08-15-2008, 06:14 PM   #286
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To me, the most astonishing thing in sports is that the Cubs have not won a World Series in 100 years. That's not easy to do.
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I thought God was a Red Sox fan?
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I thought God was a Red Sox fan?
Please don't. There's enough BoSox babble in the baseball thread. The 4-headed monster I call CTHewPhanRacer brings me enough grief.
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Zipping it. I don't think deities pay attention to sports anyway.
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Zipping it. I don't think deities pay attention to sports anyway.
I would tend to agree with that......
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They sure do love their Sawx don't they?
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They sure do love their Sawx don't they?
No more than we love our teams...I'm just hopelessly outnumbered.
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7 for 7.

astonishing.
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Old 08-16-2008, 04:20 AM   #294
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yeah, i read that article too. Michael Phelps is not the greatest Olympic athlete in history - Los Angeles Times

the truth is that these are different sports, and the differences between 100 and 200 meters in the individual sports are significant, and it's rare for someone to be able to win in more than one stroke, which is what people in track don't get. it's extremely rare for there to be much crossover between the strokes. if you take a look at what Phelps has done in comparison to other swimmers, he's absolutely the best swimmer in history, with unmatched versatility and an ability to swim multiple distances and difficult events. this isn't easy, this isn't normal for a swimmer, this is unprecedented for the sport.

Phelps is also *destroying* his competition, winning his races by 1-2 seconds, which is a huge amount in swimming.

i would quite disagree with this statement:



because the distinction between the 100 free and the 200 free is *huge*, and people competitive in the 100 free will not be competitive in the 400 free.

but i do agree with this statement:



yes, there are lots of events in swimming (and gymnastics). it's one of the appealing thigns about the sport, that there are different strokes. it's quite possible for a sprinter who swims for a dominating country to win multiple medals with relays. but it's quite not possible for an individual to win more than 1-2 races. one thing that both Mark Spitz and Michael Phelps (and drugged Kristin Otto) have in common is that they are the only swimmers to win 4 individual events. that's it. Matt Biondi won 7 medals, but he only won 2 individual events. to have someone able to win medals in two strokes (fly and free) as well as the IMs has never happened before. no one has *ever* been this versatile, and this dominant.

Phelps has won 8 individual events over two Olympiads. and will in all likelihood win several more after London 2012.

these intersport comparisons are difficult, and ultimately athletes can only be compared to each other through their achievements within their respective sports.

Didn't actually read that article you referenced, but fair points.


Wasn't necessarily convincing today against the Serb, cracking race.

The replay to me suggests that Phelps was very lucky the clock ticked the way it did!?

Another issue is the case of Olympians within team sports. Gun hockey players and the like. Jordan representing the US in '92....is he a greate all round athlete than Phelpsy?

Very contentious argument.
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Very contentious argument.


and one that's fun, but will always be inconclusive.

how lucky we all have been to appreciate these athletes at the peak of their powers.
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Old 08-16-2008, 12:11 PM   #296
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From the Olympics thread



The underwater cameras are awesome. This looks pretty conclusive.
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Awesome, completely and undeniably awesome! I have never enjoyed watching any Olympic coverage more than I have watching Michael Phelps during these games in Beijing! And his mother and sisters in the crowd! They must be soooo proud! Phelps is not only an unbelievable athlete but a very nice, intelligent young man. I enjoy how humble he seems and he speaks so well. His interview with Mark Spitz via satellite was so enjoyable to watch. I can't wait for the post Olympics media blitz when Mr. Phelps will be such a hot commodity for quite some time.
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I assume he's on something.
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7 for 7.

astonishing.
Think about that for a sec.
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Irvine, I have 2 swimming questions for you.

First, how do they decide what type of suit to wear? Is it just a personal preference or do different events require different suits?

Second, is there a true difference in body type between distance swimmers and sprinters? If you look at track events, there is a huuuuuuge difference in body type between a 10,000m runner and a 100m sprinter, but looking at the 1500m swimmers tonight, I didn't really think they looked different from the sprinters.
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