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Old 08-02-2009, 07:06 PM   #316
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:09 PM   #317
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Old 08-02-2009, 07:11 PM   #318
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Lance Armstrong's Mom listens to Matchbox Twenty.

Do we take into account the period of time in which these athletes played? Because Bradman played his sport in the 1920's and 30's, when human beings weren't as developed as they are now. We've gotten bigger, stronger, smarter, faster, better. Things change. I don't even think people had cell phones in the 20's. So Bradman's competition was a bunch of weaklings. In a sense.

It throws a figurative wrench into the whole thing. The whole thing is crazy. Good thread.
Not to get too defensive, but that is very wrong with relation to cricket. The game was much much harder for batsmen in the 20's 30's and 40's. Bats were much worse, therefore harder to hit the ball well, bowlers bowled just as fast as they do now. Every rule change, every technological advancement in the game has assisted batsmen since then. Every single one. Bowling hasn't been revolutionised or assisted at all in the last 150 years. His acheivments are all the better for the passing of time
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Gotcha. I was more just bringing up the passage of time thing in relation to all the athletes we've mentioned and I used Bradman as an example. I think it's something you definitely have to take into consideration.

One of the big examples of this is, when Wilt Chamberlain is brought into the discussion of greatest basketball player of all-time, often people will bring up the fact that he was playing and putting up those incredible statistics against much weaker post players than someone like, say, Shaquille O'Neal or David Robinson. I'm just spitballin here.
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My Dad threatens to fight me when I point this out to him, but, Wilt also played during an era with no 3-second violation.
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Plus, Bill Russell casually whipped his ass throughout most of his career.
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Lance Armstrong is a contender, but the feats of Indurain (5 Tours, 2 Giros) and Eddy Merckx (5 Tours, 5 Giros and 1 Vuelta) are also pretty special.
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Isn't there an argument against Lance due to his focusing on the Tour de France to the exclusion of riding in/winning other important races, or am I imagining that?
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There is one, but I think that it is perpetuated by those who also remain skeptical about how drug-free Armstrong really was during his winning streak.

These other Grand Tour events are arguably just as gruelling, yet not as prestigious. It would have been cool if Armstrong did properly challenge for these other Tours. Merckx, at least statistically, appears miles ahead of Armstrong with this in mind.
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Would Bradman survive a cage match between him and bear?
I'm pretty sure you a facebook quiz or poll has covered this
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Plus, Bill Russell casually whipped his ass throughout most of his career.
he really didn't... that's very over-rated. russell's teams always won, but chamberlain's stats dwarfed russell's in their head to head matchups.
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he really didn't... that's very over-rated. russell's teams always won, but chamberlain's stats dwarfed russell's in their head to head matchups.
Are they anywhere we can see? The stats I mean. I have never heard Bill Russell being mentioned as dominating Wilt before (obviously the team did), but I always thought that was more down to the C's quality over the court with Cousy Jones & co
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Wilt's 20,000 women achievement is something that can't be matched though.
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