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Old 07-24-2009, 09:47 PM   #241
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Damn you dan, you beat me to every fucking time

Darn good job you done however

^ Trust the yanks... skip the best form of the game, go straight to the boring, pissant crash 'n' bash..
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Damn you dan, you beat me to every fucking time

Darn good job you done however
Do you have anything to add, though, to what he said?
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Old 07-25-2009, 06:48 AM   #243
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I'll just back up eveything he said, maybe elaborate a little.

In 1948, he led the Australians on one final tour of England. They went through the tour unbeaten, which is a record that still stands today. In his last match, when he walked out to bat, all he needed was four runs, and he would have finished with a career batting average of 100. Unfortunately the situation got to him, and he was bowled for a duck, and finished with an average of 99.94. As Dan said, scoring a 100 is a very significant achievement.

So to answer your other queries there. The fact that I know this story and the fact that it's become folklore, should tell you just how much of an icon he was and continues to be. The legacy he has left behind will last forever. When he retired he did serve as an ambassador for the game, not entirely sure of his position, but I'm almost completely certain he ran Australian Cricket for many years after his retirement.

A good article, if you've got time:

Bradman At 100 - Forbes.com

I think that the defining stat is that in over 200 years of professional cricket, the player with the next best career batting average, Herbert Sutcliffe, averaged almost 39 less than Bradman.
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Yeah, fair summary of Bradman the cricket. Just always gathered from some of his interviews and the odd (sacreligious!) remark that he was a bit of an arrogant tosser of a bloke.
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That has been well documented I believe. Apparently some of his teammates, especially the younger ones, weren't sold on his somewhat cold personality, and Ian Chappell in particular had some problems with his administration.
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I'll just back up eveything he said, maybe elaborate a little.

In 1948, he led the Australians on one final tour of England. They went through the tour unbeaten, which is a record that still stands today. In his last match, when he walked out to bat, all he needed was four runs, and he would have finished with a career batting average of 100. Unfortunately the situation got to him, and he was bowled for a duck, and finished with an average of 99.94. As Dan said, scoring a 100 is a very significant achievement.

So to answer your other queries there. The fact that I know this story and the fact that it's become folklore, should tell you just how much of an icon he was and continues to be. The legacy he has left behind will last forever. When he retired he did serve as an ambassador for the game, not entirely sure of his position, but I'm almost completely certain he ran Australian Cricket for many years after his retirement.

A good article, if you've got time:

Bradman At 100 - Forbes.com

I think that the defining stat is that in over 200 years of professional cricket, the player with the next best career batting average, Herbert Sutcliffe, averaged almost 39 less than Bradman.
Thanks! Fairly astounding gap between him and the other historically elite players.
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No problem. You can't really finish this argument however. It's impossible. Glad to see I got some discussion going however!

Just one for the cricket fans -- I've run into a few blokes who don't consider Bradman as the greatest cricketer ever. One of the stalwarts of our local competition, says that while Bradman was the best bat, yes, he says Gary Sobers was the best cricketer, which I think is probably a fair argument. He made 8032 runs at 57.78 and took 235 wickets at 34.03. He has the 9th best all-time batting average (and I've just realised the stat about Sutcliffe I made above was wrong, both Pollock and Headley had marginally better averages), and is 40th on the most wickets list. What do you think?
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That might be like some arguments about Ted Williams, a famous baseball player. Many would call him the greatest hitter that ever lived, but I've rarely heard anyone call him the greatest baseball player that ever lived.
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That might be like some arguments about Ted Williams, a famous baseball player. Many would call him the greatest hitter that ever lived, but I've rarely heard anyone call him the greatest baseball player that ever lived.
Who's the best ball player that you've seen?
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Lance - in cycling but yet 7 time tour de france has to eclipse a lot of other achievements. Not to mention he's getting 3rd this yr with a 3 yr break and he's 38!!

C'mon, that is man against everything. Baseball - ha, football -ha, soccer -ha, basketball -ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael Phelps is a close second.

This can go on forever regarding all the greats but let's be real!
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At the top of his game, Griffey Jr. Rickey Henderson would be up there, too.

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At the top of his game, Griffey Jr. Rickey Henderson would be up there, too.

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Yes, I'd have to say Griffey, as well. He's like the Mario Lemieux of baseball, in that if he wasn't injured so often, he'd probably be the record holder in a number of statistical fields.

As far as the best player I've seen in person, I'd have to say Vladimir Guerrero. Such an unbelievable talent, and another one whose injuries have somewhat slowed him down.
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Phelps isn't human, he's an aquatic mammal, so he's out.

What's the most common baseball injury? Shoulders?
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Keith Miller is a name you have to throw up if you include all rounders.

In the end, Cricket is such an individual team sport (probably even moreso than baseball) and the disciplines are so distinct (bowling and batting) that you cant say someone who did both hold much more weight than the best at either. Bradman was quite an accomplished off-spinner, he just never bowled in tests because there were players picked to be bowlers in the side, and he felt it was their job to do the bulk of the bowling. Had he bowled as much as his talent dictated, he may well have taken 100 or test wickets in his relatively shortish career by modern standards
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Phelps isn't human, he's an aquatic mammal, so he's out.

What's the most common baseball injury? Shoulders?
I'd have to say yes, at least for pitchers. You used to hear a lot about hamstring pulls or tears, but not as much lately.

BoMac, I'd put Vlad pretty high up there, but not quite at the top. If it weren't for steroids and such, Barry Bonds would be in the mix, of course. Also, for me, Pedro Martinez is easily the best pitcher I've ever seen (by the time I got to see Seaver or Carlton pitch regularly they were on the downside of their careers).
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