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Old 09-02-2013, 07:34 PM   #76
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He wasn't pleased that he did something that hurt the team. He got a penalty. No one would argue that he should have done that. And I think if you read my statement, it was implicit that the only people he does owe something to are his teammates and coaches.

But people are making a fuss about so many more things than that one penalty that don't matter at all. And he doesn't owe us college football fans a thing, including the A&M fans. Why would he owe them anything?

I remember when players started transferring from Penn State after the sanctions hit and Penn State fans thought they were disloyal and owed the fans more. Especially Silas Redd, there are people who still won't let that one go. I thought they were all nuts. No college athlete owes a thing to the fans.
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Old 09-02-2013, 08:53 PM   #77
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I think a university player who is garnering a good deal from other students tuition payments owes their fellow students and alumni something.
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Old 09-02-2013, 09:06 PM   #78
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He owes it to the university paying his way to not make them look like shit.
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Student tuition does not pay for athletic scholarships.
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The Illuminati do.

Do a google image search for "athletic scholarships" and Lady Gaga pops up. You do the math.
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The Illuminati do.

Do a google image search for "athletic scholarships" and Lady Gaga pops up. You do the math.
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Student tuition does not pay for athletic scholarships.
Well... not at a school as big as A&M at least.

It certainly does at smaller schools.
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The Illuminati do.

Do a google image search for "athletic scholarships" and Lady Gaga pops up. You do the math.
This is superb.
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Student tuition does not pay for athletic scholarships.
I didn't specify athletic scholarships (not that I buy what you're saying there), I'm talking about everything. You're not going to tell me that some students should be allowed to behave differently than other students, are you? Do you really think that's OK? I'm not asking if you think it doesn't happen, I'm asking if you think it's acceptable.

This is the same argument that people in the other place are making for why U2 never needs to make another album...that they don't "owe" their fans anything. Find this patently ridiculous. Who gave them the money they have in the first place, before all of their investments and bloated egos? To me, at least, if your job is to make music, and I'm basically the one paying you to do it, you DO owe it to me to do your job. If you quit, then say so.

I'm not meaning to get off topic, in my mind this all adds up. Johnny "football" is a student at Texas A&M. As a student at Texas A&M he's supposed to follow certain rules and act like a part of the student body/community. Everyone else is expected to. Otherwise, he's letting down his fellow students and the people who pay their good money to see him play or that they donated to his school in order to provide him and his teammates with the means to play the game.

Just my opinion, illuminati-free.
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What exactly has he done off the field that is different from what most every college student in america does?
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I was only responding to Peefs assertion that a college athlete does not owe anyone anything.
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What rules has he broken, though? Aside from the penalty in Saturday's game, pretty much the entire conversation has been about vague things like "getting it" and how he "carries himself." I'm not suggesting he should be allowed to break rules, so let's separate that discussion from his behavior right off the bat.

I think the whole thing is a media-created mess. He's still an excellent football player who is passionate about the game. What more do the fans want? They want him to stay sober? Bullshit. No one else in college football is held up to that standard. I know. I, like many other college students, have been out drinking with athletes. Everyone does it. Who gives a flying fuck about him being hungover one time this summer? Sure, it was a dick move to those kids, but did it deserve the national outrage that it got on ESPN's family of networks? Hell no.

So, my question is, what's the issue here? What is he doing that's so different from other college athletes? Isn't the only issue here the media portrayal of what he's doing?

And one of my big projects as an undergrad was a research article about university finances. Athletic budgets are, for the large part, wholly separate from normal university budgets. So unless Texas A&M is bucking the trend, it's not a matter of whether you buy my argument or not. Athletics are spending separately from the rest of the university. They have their own budgets. TV contracts that the SEC are a part of don't fund teacher salaries or new classrooms, and student tuition payments don't pay for athletic scholarships.
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He's a douchebag. If you don't care, cool. I do. Being an immature douchebag with terrible work ethic is something associated with Ryan Leaf. I'd rather Manziel not go that route. He really doesn't seem to give a shit about anything, which has a very small window of being OK.

The "he's just being demonized by ESPN" argument works for now, but consider how much brighter the lights are going to get. If he's already drawing all of this negative attention, it's only going to get worse. It's his responsibility to whatever team he ends up with to not allow that to be a distraction.

He's going to be fun to watch for many years to come if he makes the necessary adjustments. If he doesn't, we'll get a year or two more out of him, then a lot of irritating overexposure for nothing.
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This is the first I'm hearing about a "terrible work ethic."
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Old 09-02-2013, 10:23 PM   #90
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There's an article from over a year ago where his coach praises his work ethic. After months of needless bullshit, however, I think everyone is within their rights to question his priorities. And no, I'm not talking about being hungover once. If he has such an unbridled passion for football, why ever put that in jeopardy?
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