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Old 08-04-2011, 03:09 PM   #616
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Top 5? Didn't see that coming.
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Better than only getting 5 votes.
Or not being eligible for the poll at all.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:18 PM   #618
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Top 5? Didn't see that coming.
I cursed your name earlier in my head. Well, screen name at least.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:35 PM   #619
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I've been told Penn State is ranked in some poll, even though their only decent QB option was just declared academically ineligible for the second straight year.
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Old 08-04-2011, 06:43 PM   #620
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I've been told Penn State is ranked in some poll, even though their only decent QB option was just declared academically ineligible for the second straight year.
2 years in a row? That takes talent. I don't understand with all the help these guys get why they can't maintain a 2.0. It's not like they are engineering majors.

So who will be QB for you guys?
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Last year they were able to just redshirt Paul Jones to let him get his grades up. This year he's just straight up ineligible. The sad part is he's definitely the best option. And Newsome is transferring, though that's no surprise.

It'll be Bolden or McGloin again. Probably Bolden. It doesn't matter. They're both average on their best days.
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preseason polls are meaningless
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You don't have to tell me.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:19 PM   #624
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preseason polls are meaningless
No they aren't, and that's a big problem.
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Old 08-04-2011, 09:58 PM   #625
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Hey Jake, what do the coaches know about FSU that I don't? #5?!

EDIT: Never mind. Hadn't seen what happened with Jameis Winston.
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I wish that they were. September 17th, holmes.

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Hey Jake, what do the coaches know about FSU that I don't? #5?!

EDIT: Never mind. Hadn't seen what happened with Jameis Winston.
The hype's based off of how they finished last season, this past season's #1 recruiting class, how many players are coming back on offense and defense. We lost two All-Americans off of the offensive line, which is my main concern.

I think that we're in a better place than Miami and Florida right now, but those games are always tough to gauge. The conference schedule isn't too severe. BC at home will be tough and Clemson and NC State are competitive. Virginia Tech's still the team to beat in the ACC. I do like the path towards national relevance though.
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No they aren't, and that's a big problem.
If you don't take care of business along the way then they are pointless.

This is a decent reality check article which states that during the last 9 years only 1 preseason number 1 team has ended the season as BCS Champion. Yeah, five of those preseason #1 teams made it to the BCS Championship game, but 4 did not.

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As the table above shows, there has not been a great "championship rate" for teams ranked at the top of the preseason Coaches Poll, as the Oklahoma Sooners are this season. Only one team in the last 9 years ended the season as the BCS National Champion, and that team had their championship vacated.

Between 2002 and 2006, however, every team that was the "Preseason #1" qualified for the BCS National Championship Game, certainly a notable accomplishment. From 2007 through now, that trend has reversed, despite two teams coming close (USC in 2007, and Florida in 2009). I think the reversal of this trend may have something to do with the widely held opinion that parity has increased in college football. Voters are therefore more likely to rank a team that is not a traditional powerhouse near the top of the polls in recent years. Put another way, if you are ranked #1 and you lose, there is an increasingly vast pool of teams that pollsters are willing to give a shot.

Matt Hinton at the Dr. Saturday blog nutshells the Sooners' ranking nicely:

With the right brand on the side of the helmet, a high-profile quarterback, 18 returning starters and a lopsided bowl win can still take you a long way.

The Sooners do have a fairly difficult schedule on paper with three games against preseason Top-10 teams, two of those on the road. Even though all those games are preceded by either an unranked opponent or a bye week, it's hard to ignore the road splits from 2010 for Landry Jones (167.36 passer rating at home, vs. 134.05 away from home; interceptions 2 to 10 respectively). He has yet to post a passer rating above 135 in a game against a ranked opponent away from home in two seasons, and has a 2-6 record as a starter in such games (although he won the most recent two, against Oklahoma St. and Nebraska).

With a pass heavy offense, it's pretty obvious the Sooners need to correct these trends if they want to have a shot at a title. Part of that responsibility lies with Landry. Part of it also lies with new offensive coordinators Josh Heupel and Jay Norvell, to put Landry in better positions to make plays than Kevin Wilson did in high-profile road games.
While its good to be "# 1" i think i would really rather be #3 or #4 right about now. Then when the inevitable happens; the upset or say #1 just loses to another highly ranked, really good team (like a Florida State, Oklahoma State, for example), then you can slide into the top spots at the right time.

The team knows this, the coaches know this, and we have been here before...being preseason number 1 is nice but meaningless unless you take care of business every step of the way. We have a very difficult schedule and while we should technically win every game we could just as easily lose any one of them:



Looking at our schedule, we will have a battle on our hands every week with the number 1 crosshairs on our chest. We are playing no less than five top 25 teams:

@ number 5 FSU 9/17
at home against number 21 Missouri 9/24
in Dallas on that neutral field against number 24 Texas which is always a dogfight no matter who's-who, 10/8
in Norman against a very good number 9 ATM 11/5
and back to Stillwater again this year to play number 8 Oklahoma State 12/3

If we make it through this brutal season undefeated, we have every right to be in the National Championship game. Thats obviously a very tall order but im loooking forward to seeing how it all plays out. I will be there at least half of the time. Scary is going on the road against LMP's Seminoles, and into the house of Boones (Pickens) Farms up in Stoolwater to play Gundy's Cowpokes, which is always a rowdy bunch. And of course any number of things could happen as well. I'm not counting anything on this preseason number one ranking, because not a down has been played, and also it just makes your opponent step up their game even more so they can try and take you out. Missouri did that to us last year when were were #1 in the BCS, they sure showed us! (don't think we've forgotten about that one either).

Just going to take this one day by day, week by week, and game by game. And hopefully the coaches and the players are doing the same. Whatever happens in the end is a long ways down the hot & dirty trail...
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Agreed, it's important to be ranked high, but not necessarily #1. 2004 is a prime example of that, with Auburn being pre-season 18 and not able to overtake USC or Oklahoma. The other key component is losing early.

I also agree that it's easier to not be Number 1. However, it's also never easy to be Oklahoma, Texas, Alabama, USC, Ohio State because of the history involved.
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TCU is fucked this year because of their pre-season placement and unfavorable schedule; if 12-0 wasn't enough to grant them higher than #3 last year, it certainly won't be this year. I think their placement is about right though...they've lost Andy Dalton and Jeremy Kerley and I definitely feel it's fair to question where their on-field leadership is going to stem from this year. I have no idea how they pulled off a couple of those wins season; their mental and physical toughness was undeniable.
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If you don't take care of business along the way then they are pointless.
Obviously if a team loses 1 or more games during the season, they are not very likely to finish #1, but that isn't what I was concerned with.

The "low/unranked team finishing 12-0 and being relegated to a much weaker bowl game than they deserve" scenario is also an injustice but is also not super common.

Much more common is when Team A begins the season highly ranked and ends up with a poor record, or vice versa. If Team B beats Team A early in the season, they will receive more credit for the victory than Team C will for beating Team A late in the season when they're 6-4, and the reverse is true as well.
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