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Old 12-01-2008, 01:41 PM   #436
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I do really hate OU, that's just in our nature down here.
I guess im just not one of those kinds of fans...i respect all of the programs even Texas. Yes i occasionally say things and am guilty of slurs regarding our friends to the south, all in fun, but i do not hate the program nor do i harbor any ill feelings towards Mack Brown.


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I'm just pissed and bitter to have to watch two teams we beat (one of them being OU) play for a Big XII championship. The BCS isn't necessarily fucked up, but the Big XII tiebreak scenarios are. Even if we had pulled off the impossible today, I wouldn't be thrilled with the way things are in the conference.
At the end of the day when you have a three way tie one team is going to be happy and two are going to feel left out. If the other two teams would have taken care of business then we wouldn't have a tie. We all lost to each other...one team loses by a TD, one team by 10 points, and the other team by 44 points. If Texas was # 2 in the BCS and going to the Big 12 game then by your logic Texas Tech has a right to cry foul since they beat you, correct?



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I'm not arguing OU's body of work, it's excellent. They're a great team, so is Tech for that matter. 45-35 happened and I loved every second of it, but at the end of the day OU did indeed have a better strength of schedule and has played amazingly, with the exception of the second half of the Shootout. I'm not ignoring this, and I think OU is just as worth as Texas. The Cotton Bowl is indeed neutral. I don't know if you've ever been to a RRS, but the tickets are distributed evenly and half the stadium is full of Sooner fans.
I understand that the Cotton Bowl is considered by most of the world to be neutral, and Dallas is a great place to party. But nothing can change the fact that the game takes place in the state of Texas even if OU has a slightly shorter drive to the game then UT, we are still playing Texas at the Texas State Fair in the state of Texas and the stadium is still a shithole despite all of the renovations. IF there is such a thing as a mental edge in this rivalry then Texas has it. Heck move the game to Little Rock if you truly want it to be neutral.

That said, your guys beat us fair and square and you were the better team that day. It could have easily gone the other way...but im not bitter. There's always next year...



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We lost Orakpo (and Quan) in the Tech game, but I can't use them as excuses either. Shit happens. Running up the score is what I perceive when I see Stoops leaving in first-team guys midway into the 4th against aggy. I know style points matter, and as much as I hate Stoops I respect his coaching ability. But it's just a tough pill to swallow when I know we can't get those huge leads because Mack notoriously calls off the dogs early. I think OU's plainly got the better offense than Texas, but I think we've got a much better defense.
The whole "running up the score" arguement doesn't make a lot sense when you are trying to get to a BCS game and a conference championship and there is a potential three way tie looming, and you could otherwise be on the outside looking in. If the other team can't stop us then how is that our fault? I was at the OU - Tenessee Chatanooga game back in september when we were up 50-0 at the half. The final score was 52-7.... were we running it up there? We were creatively trying to find ways not to score, the game could have easily been 100-0. Most of our blowout games (except Oklahoma State) we had a huge lead at the half and ran pretty conservative playcalling in the 4th quarter to try and run out the clock. Sometimes in doing so we allow the other team to get the ball and they score late TD's on us and it makes our Defense look bad. I think we could have scored well into the 70's or 80's had we kept our entire team on the field and kept the same offensive philosophy.

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And this isn't confrontational, but lest you think I'm a t-shirt fan, I'm a senior at Texas, not just an Austinite going for the hometown. And I'm sticking around an extra semester to enjoy one last football season next year. Lucky me.

Alabama and Florida will be a better game than everyone is thinking. I think OU mudholes Bama but falls to Florida, but I thought that about Texas too.

I'm proud of this team too. We all expected a down year and now it'll end in Fiesta, Sugar, or (with a Mizzou win) a MNC. I'm pleased at the results. I hate OU with all my heart, but damn it I respect the program. Best of luck to Sooner as well.

I think you're getting my bitching wrong. This whole thing sucks, but I don't blame OU for that. I don't blame the BCS either. Whether they would have benefited the Horns or not, there needs to be reform with Big XII tiebreak scenarios. Can't we just agree it's nice to see classless Tech's best season ever end with no conference championship game bid, no BCS bowl, and a January 1st date with Ole Miss in Dallas?
Well good luck your senior year, i certainly dont hate Texas "with all of my heart" nor do i hate Mack Brown. I may dislike the program in a rivalry sense for at least one game, but as much as i may dislike them i have a mutual respect for them and often times have to root for them. And i always root for the entire Big 12 in all of the Bowl Games. Hate is a strong word, and in my occupation you learn to distinguish hate and dislike as two very different meanings.

It was nice to see us beat Tech the way we did, and they had it coming. Graham Harrell's attitude after they beat Texas and Oklahoma State was a bit annoying, i don't have exact quotes but they interviewed him and he said something to the effect that "they (OSU) didn't stop us, we stopped ourselves". After we got screwed in Lubbock the last two times it was nice to blow them out this year when they were the #2 team. Having said all of that Crabtree is one of the best players in football, like Colt McCoy from Texas, and Mike Leach is a good guy and an interesting character.


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Man, the Shootout is going to feature some real bad blood next year.
Perhaps...next year is a long way off...but if we played that game tomorrow i think OU wins by 4 TD's

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Old 12-01-2008, 04:06 PM   #437
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I think what we can really establish through all of this is that there really isn't a right or wrong answer. Each argument has its merits, each has its faults. Garrison, you make compelling arguments for each of your points, and I respect that.

I think I'm using hate more in the sports definition of it. I recognize OU as a fine institution and a fine athletic program. I even said in a previous post that I respect it.

The stats don't lie, and my "running up the score" point was off base. I've been drinking too much of the burnt orange kool aid.

I do contend that despite the State Fair and Dallas, it is indeed neutral. In my experiences at the RRS, it's about as evenly split as you could hope for.

And re: Tech. My big problem there is the fans and Harrell's attitude. Crabtree is ridiculous; Leach is quite a character and good for NCAA football. But Harrell's cockiness coupled with the complete classlessness of their fan base makes them the team I least want to succeed. If I ever saw similar behavior at DKR by Texas fans, I would be completely embarrassed.

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If Texas was # 2 in the BCS and going to the Big 12 game then by your logic Texas Tech has a right to cry foul since they beat you, correct?
Yep. There's just no right way to settle a three-way tie. If the shoe was on the other foot, with OU beating Texas in the RRS and Texas finishing ahead, Stoops and the fans would have the same reaction as Mack and we did. OU won the tiebreaker, and that's fine. It'll just become another chapter in one of the greatest rivalries in college football. I sincerely hope we mudhole them next October. But then again, I hope we mudhole everyone.
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Old 12-01-2008, 04:29 PM   #438
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I have to add this: I've read in a few places that Florida is no shoo in to make it to the MNC even if they beat Bama due to their standing in the computers. This could pave the way for a Texas/OU rematch in the MNC game.

It's a very, very, very unlikely scenario, but how great would that be?
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Old 12-01-2008, 06:31 PM   #439
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Any scenario that screws The School of Gator is fine by me.
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I have to add this: I've read in a few places that Florida is no shoo in to make it to the MNC even if they beat Bama due to their standing in the computers. This could pave the way for a Texas/OU rematch in the MNC game.

It's a very, very, very unlikely scenario, but how great would that be?
I read this too. I believe it also means that Florida could beat Alabama but Bama could still make it to the NC.

At this point, my biggest hope is that Ohio State doesn't jump Boise State to get the last at large bid. I want Utah and Boise in BCS bowls.
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Au contrair, Screw.

The SEC beating themselves up all season could ruin both 'Bama's and The Teboner's strength of schedule, while the Big 12 is elevated by the 4 major teams (yeah, Mizzou deserves to be up there, too) and a couple of solid teams.

If Boise and Utah win out, they'll make the at-large bids. Hell, Ball State could jump up there if they win out, too, probably leaving Ohio State at the cusp.
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I think what we can really establish through all of this is that there really isn't a right or wrong answer. Each argument has its merits, each has its faults. Garrison, you make compelling arguments for each of your points, and I respect that.
Fair enough, and thank you for your compliments.

I think your right about Harrell too, he does seem a bit cocky for his own good. I guess we brought him back down to earth for one game at least. No doubt he is good but without Crabtree is he ever a Heismann candidate?

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have to add this: I've read in a few places that Florida is no shoo in to make it to the MNC even if they beat Bama due to their standing in the computers. This could pave the way for a Texas/OU rematch in the MNC game.

It's a very, very, very unlikely scenario, but how great would that be?
It would be something alright. And i was only kidding about "the four touchdowns" earlier. I think its closer than that. It sure would settle the current situation we are in once and for all now wouldn't it?

But i think it is odd that nobody is giving Alabama a chance in the SEC title game, everyone is picking Florida. All Bama has done is win every game. Of course nobody is giving Missouri a chance against us either...

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Personally, I'd love to see a Texas/Florida game. Unlikely to happen, but it would make for one helluva game.
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At least the BCS is in good hands with the Harris poll. Wait ... - Dr. Satu... - NCAA Football - Rivals.com

Awesome...

If that doesn't prove we need reform in this sport, I don't know what does.
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There's a plane flying around campus right now with a banner that says "Hey Mack stop whining u knew the rules."

It's been flying around all day.
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Bye-bye Ball State, now 12-1 ... losers to University of Buffalo in the MAC Conference championship game...the start of the fall?????
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There's a plane flying around campus right now with a banner that says "Hey Mack stop whining u knew the rules."

It's been flying around all day.
im suprised nobody took a shot at it



seriously though, its all just so absurd. And slightly funny if you think about it.
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Bye-bye Ball State, now 12-1 ... losers to University of Buffalo in the MAC Conference championship game...the start of the fall?????
that was a crazy ass game! i would not have expected buffalo to come out on top.
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I'm glad Buffalo won. Turner Gill deserved it.
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