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Old 04-06-2010, 12:38 PM   #241
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the coaching moves continue... one very surprsing one as well.

steve donahue will be moving on from cornell to BC... not really that surprising that he got a big job after cornell's run.

what is surprising, however, is that danny hurley is taking the job at Wagner, and bringing along bobby to boot. considering his father has always turned down college jobs to stay in the high school ranks, i always figured danny would do the same.

the other mid-majors in the new york area should be frightened by these turn of events. heck, even st. john's should be worried.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:27 PM   #242
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Why I don't root for Duke: Coach K's need to get every call. It's the little things: overreactions to contact, all five guys jumping up and pointing their direction when a ball goes out of bounds, that image of Coach K in the ref's ear every single time a player of his picks up a foul ...

This coming from someone who has every reason to root for Duke.
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Old 04-06-2010, 01:52 PM   #243
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the thing i really don't get about the duke hatred is the idea that they get every call and complain about not getting calls, as if every single coach in the history of basketball isn't also always in the ref's ear.

basketball coach's complain to the refs... it's a large part of what they do, largely due to the fact that every referee in basketball history sucks.


i really think if they had a different uniform on people wouldn't pick up on these things as much as they do... much like they don't pick up on sissy mary pocketbook slappers in baseball as much as they do when they play for the yankees.

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I hate coaches who do that as much as Coach K does. It's not limited to him. He doesn't argue bad calls, he argues all calls.
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Old 04-06-2010, 02:58 PM   #245
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someone needs to photoshop in a pair of high heels
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not happy with what i'm reading about the scheduling of next year's 96 team tourney
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not happy with what i'm reading about the scheduling of next year's 96 team tourney
yep. if it ain't broke....
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Old 04-06-2010, 05:01 PM   #248
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i was putting together my own schedule to see how it would look then i started doing a bit of research on how the ncaa wants to handle it.

it looks like instead of starting the tournament early by a couple of days for the opening round games, the extra round is going to be on tuesday/wednesday and force the better teams to play 3 games in 5 days:

(09 v 24) v 1
(10 v 23) v 2
(11 v 22) v 3
(12 v 21) v 4
(13 v 20) v 5
(14 v 19) v 6
(15 v 18) v 7
(16 v 17) v 8

1st round, games in parentheses
day 1 - thursday march 17th, 2011
day 2 - friday march 18th, 2011

2nd round, winner of 1st round v top 8 seed
day 1 - saturday march 19th, 2011
day 2 - sunday march 20, 2011

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regional quarterfinals day 1 - tuesday march 22, 2011*
regional quarterfinals day 2 - wednesday march 23, 2011*
(these games may be at the 1st & 2nd round sites)

regional semifinals, day 1 - thursday march 24, 2011
regional semifinals, day 2 - friday march 25, 2011

regional finals, day 1 - saturday march 26, 2011
regional finals, day 2 - sunday march 27, 2011

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national semifinals - saturday april 2nd, 2011

championship game - monday april 4th, 2011
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there's been one incident involving duke in K's entire career... corey maggette, and even that incident had nothing to do with duke themselves... maggette's AAU coach paid him (and every other player on his team) and got caught. did the duke coaching staff know this? maybe, but i'll say that they didn't based on their history. quinn snyder may have known... but he's been sort of exiled after all of his issues once he took over at missou.

as for bending of academic standards?

a friend of mine from high school played basketball at Yale. His older brother, who was my age, had a higher GPA and higher SAT's. but he wasn't 6'8" with a jumper, so he got wait listed at Yale, while his younger brother got in... and didn't have to pay for anything other than books, at a school that doesn't give athletic scholarships... and they're rich.

now the younger brother did have 90's and a 1300 SAT score... so it's not like he was a dumb dumb. but he did not have grades that would get him in to yale on their own. ironicly enough, the older brother ended up going to duke.


does this same thing happen at duke? do players who normaly wouldn't get accepted to the school get in because they have a great jumper? of course. this happens at every school that has athletics in the nation. it also happens with legacys, musicians and other artists as well.

every college has their minimum standards that they list on their info... nobody gets in by those minimum standards unless they have some sort of special talent to go along with the grades.

these kids at duke aren't minimum qualifyers, they aren't kids who had no credits, went to a prep school for a year and all of a sudden were honor students and passed the clearinghouse with flying colors, and these aren't kids who need to have someone cheat for them to get them in.

there is so much dislike and hatred for duke that if they were blatantly bending and breaking rules someone would bring them down. information would be leaked. there would be a smoking gun.

but there isn't.
I've taught math at both an Ivy League school and an elite public university, so I know full well about the standards for athletes in the money sports and how teams try to steer athletes towards soft majors, and I hate it.

Duke basketball's graduation rate was very strong the last couple years, but for a number of years in this decade it was hovering in the 60-70% range and one year dipped to 50% at a time when they weren't sending lots of players to the NBA early, and they have had a couple players get busted for academic fraud. None of this is particularly exceptional, but that's the point -- it isn't exceptional. They're pretty good compared to the national average for major teams, but they're way below the ~95% graduation rate for the university as a whole and the ~90% figures that football and basketball teams like Stanford and Notre Dame post year after year. If the players are all academically fit, they should be able to graduate given all the academic support they receive.

As for recruiting violations, there was the bit about Chris Duhon's mother getting a job in NC while Duhon was playing for Duke. Now this sort of stuff probably goes on all over the place, I personally don't don't have a problem with college athletes getting paid, and you could certainly argue that stuff like this is none of the NCAA's business. But the NCAA does have rules against this stuff, and it's hard to believe that everything was above board here.

Again, Duke basketball certainly isn't a cesspool of corruption like UConn or Maryland, but they're not God's gift to college sports either.
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That schedule sucks, way to packed in.

I hate this whole expansion thing, I really do. The silver lining though, and this from a guy who hates the whole "mid-major" thing (yeah yeah, bitter, George Mason...bite me)...hopefully some of the smaller schools have more of a shot to actually win a game this way. As it is now they get matched up with the absolute best teams in the country, and they really have no shot. So I'm happy for those schools.

I also think they need to give 2 automatic bids, and let the regular season champions of the small conferences in. Of course they won't, but if they're adding 31 teams I don't see why half of them can't be these smaller schools, as opposed to some "big" school that stumbles their way to 7-11 in their conference and makes my eyes bleed when I watch them.

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(09 v 24) v 1
(10 v 23) v 2
(11 v 22) v 3
(12 v 21) v 4
(13 v 20) v 5
(14 v 19) v 6
(15 v 18) v 7
(16 v 17) v 8
I think you have the alignment backwards, it would be:

(09 v 24) v 8
(10 v 23) v 7
(11 v 22) v 6
(12 v 21) v 5
(13 v 20) v 4
(14 v 19) v 3
(15 v 18) v 2
(16 v 17) v 1

So assuming the higher seeds win the openers, you're back at the normal starting point of 1 vs 16, 5 upset by 12, 8 vs 9 etc.

Otherwise you would have 1 playing 9 while 8 plays 16.
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Did your team ever post a 0% graduation rate? No? Then you're better than Maryland.
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I wonder how many of the people who bitch about there being too many bowl games are happy about the prospect of a 96 team tourney.
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I wonder how many of the people who bitch about there being too many bowl games are happy about the prospect of a 96 team tourney.
Letting the mid-major teams whale on each other for an extra game before they play the top seeds?

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Duke basketball's graduation rate was very strong the last couple years, but for a number of years in this decade it was hovering in the 60-70% range and one year dipped to 50% at a time when they weren't sending lots of players to the NBA early,
Actually, I think these figures may include Brand/Avery/Maggette, who all count as dropouts and may or may not have been able to graduate.
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