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Old 02-13-2012, 09:15 AM   #151
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For those blaming Bobby Brown, Whitney Houston was a grown woman and made all her own choices. There is no one to blame but her
Was it also her choice to get the shit kicked out of her by Mr. Brown?

I'm sorry but IMO that marriage was the start of her downhill slide. If a person is weak and has an addictive personality (like she might have had), you do everything to try and help - not take advantage of this personality.

I TOTALLY blame him for ruining her career and ultimately causing her untimely death.
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Old 02-13-2012, 09:31 AM   #152
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Was it also her choice to get the shit kicked out of her by Mr. Brown?

I'm sorry but IMO that marriage was the start of her downhill slide. If a person is weak and has an addictive personality (like she might have had), you do everything to try and help - not take advantage of this personality.

I TOTALLY blame him for ruining her career and ultimately causing her untimely death.

To answer your question, yes, it was her choice to get the shit kicked out of her. Plus, odds are pretty good that she hit Bobby too. I agree her marriage to him was the start of her decline, but she was responsible for it too. Blaming him is foolish. She was a Mega Diva and way more famous than Bobby ever was or ever will be. She could have bought and sold Bobby for all she cared. But, she didn't because she loved him. They were together for over 15 years. She ultimately had the power in their relationship.
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To answer your question, yes, it was her choice to get the shit kicked out of her.
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Old 02-13-2012, 11:52 AM   #154
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Why the wow? When Sean Penn started hitting Madonna, she left him. End of story. Whitney could have done the same exact thing when Bobby first started hitting her. By sticking around, she accepted the abuse as part of the package. It took her 14 years to finally leave him.
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It was 2.48 am (GMT) that I heard about Whitney Houstan's death. Only the BBC news were reporting it at the time because they were the first.

She was a huge talent. Drink & drugs caught with her, Amy Winehouse and Michael Jackson. I was only thinking of her the day before when one of her song came on the radio. I was putting her into a category and I was trying to think how I Will Always Love You started. Her aunt Dionne Warrick was on the Jonathan Ross show the night before and we had a discussion about her.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:14 PM   #156
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Right. What Edge going to the Grammys has to do in a Whitney Houston memorial thread is beyond me. But I guess U2 is never far from the minds of some people.

Anyway, I'm sad for the Houston family. Always sad when a mother dies before seeing what their children become.
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Why the wow? When Sean Penn started hitting Madonna, she left him. End of story. Whitney could have done the same exact thing when Bobby first started hitting her. By sticking around, she accepted the abuse as part of the package. It took her 14 years to finally leave him.
Well you could argue that it was her choice to stick around, but that isn't really what you said. It was not her choice to get hit the first time around, and I doubt you or I know the real details of how things happened. The difference between Madonna and Whitney is that there were children involved.
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Right. What Edge going to the Grammys has to do in a Whitney Houston memorial thread is beyond me. But I guess U2 is never far from the minds of some people.

Anyway, I'm sad for the Houston family. No child should outlive their parents.
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ha... i didn't catch that. oops.
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Damnit. Disregard that. I'm writing multiple things at once, and lost my train of thought. Carry on.
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Well you could argue that it was her choice to stick around, but that isn't really what you said. It was not her choice to get hit the first time around, and I doubt you or I know the real details of how things happened. The difference between Madonna and Whitney is that there were children involved.
No, it was not her choice to get hit the first time around. But, once the violence started to occur on a regular basis, it was her choice to stay with him. It wasn't like he was getting help or seeking some sort of anger management. She could have left him sooner. Certainly Bobby Brown is no innocent here. He is certainly responsible for his actions and shouldn't have laid a hand on her in the first place. But, people are blaming him for her death and I don't believe that to be accurate. They've been divorced for 5 years. She had her comeback album in 2009. She had the opportunity to staighten out her life without him around.
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No, it was not her choice to get hit the first time around. But, once the violence started to occur on a regular basis, it was her choice to stay with him. It wasn't like he was getting help or seeking some sort of anger management. She could have left him sooner. Certainly Bobby Brown is no innocent here. He is certainly responsible for his actions and shouldn't have laid a hand on her in the first place. But, people are blaming him for her death and I don't believe that to be accurate. They've been divorced for 5 years. She had her comeback album in 2009. She had the opportunity to staighten out her life without him around.

If it was that easy, millions of women would have been spared living through abusive relationships by leaving their partners after the first time they were hit.
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Was it also her choice to get the shit kicked out of her by Mr. Brown?

I'm sorry but IMO that marriage was the start of her downhill slide. If a person is weak and has an addictive personality (like she might have had), you do everything to try and help - not take advantage of this personality.

I TOTALLY blame him for ruining her career and ultimately causing her untimely death.
I guess he stuck the crack pipe in her mouth too?
Nice of you to completely guess at her having an addictive personality though if it helps your argument.
She was a crackhead because she chose to start smoking crack. Completely her fault.
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