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Old 03-06-2010, 08:55 PM   #16
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i don't know how many replies i've typed up and deleted.
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Old 03-06-2010, 10:14 PM   #17
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God, who gives a fuck about new faces, can't we just enjoy the sharing of music? I'm really hoping this gets going soon enough so that I can have the playlists for when I have to drive from Texas to Indiana in a couple of months.

Seriously, I've always enjoyed the game and there's never been a moment when the SAME EXACT 20-24 (however many people it is) have competed. And as long as people like AtomicBono keep trying new things like she's suggested above, then there's always going to be at least something new to try. There have been plenty of opportunity for other people, and for some reason on an anonymous forum they have acted pitifully shy, thinking they would not be welcomed into the tournament. Their loss.
Let me clarify.

It's not all about new faces, although I think anytime we get a few new participants, it definitely makes it more interesting. Rather, it's the fact that we have the same core group involved every time, and that's why I continue to believe that the alternating of some of the veterans who have done DI the most (LMP, Ax, LM, myself, etc.) would not be a bad thing. But if most people didn't care, then by all means, I wouldn't change it.

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3. If we do implement the Best of '00s format into the game (which I adamantly disagree with and feel would be a detriment to DI), do NOT keep voting closed to participants. That was a terrible idea, and would be even worse in a full DI.
Why was participant-only voting such a bad idea? It seemed to work just fine (although for DI7, I'd probably have it open to everyone anyway). And I'm surprised that you are "adamantly" against this new format. I know you voiced some concerns previously, but I thought it went over rather well, and that seemed to be the majority opinion. Is there one specific reason why you prefer the original method?

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Space Moon.
Here's the perfect example of someone who should be doing this.

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Is the need for new faces that critical to making it interesting? I thought the Best of The 2000's was the best one since DI 2. Even though many of the same faces were there we still had fresh and interesting playlists from them. Everyone has a particular style and approach but each playlist is different.
See my comment above. Not entirely critical, but certainly doesn't hurt it.
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Why was participant-only voting such a bad idea? It seemed to work just fine (although for DI7, I'd probably have it open to everyone anyway). And I'm surprised that you are "adamantly" against this new format. I know you voiced some concerns previously, but I thought it went over rather well, and that seemed to be the majority opinion. Is there one specific reason why you prefer the original method?
I think it was good in the sense that you had a vote tallied for every member. Maybe you can combine the two: get all participants to submit lists ahead of time so that they're on the record even if they aren't around to vote. Then, you can open the voting up to other people to vote on the lists on top of the participants.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:20 PM   #19
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Here's the perfect example of someone who should be doing this.
I'll do it. I just need the rules, format, etc, explained to me if/when the time comes. I never really paid all that much attention to the DI competitions, not 100% sure why.

So, if this does go down, count me in. I might need someone like YLB to upload stuff for me, though.
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:23 PM   #20
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So... uh... when will the signing up happen?
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Old 03-06-2010, 11:44 PM   #21
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Why was participant-only voting such a bad idea? It seemed to work just fine (although for DI7, I'd probably have it open to everyone anyway).
Because there are 30,000+ other users on this site with opinions that should be heard if at all possible. Ideally (assuming the new format is implemented), you can force the issue and all 20-25 users will submit their rankings, as well as a number of others. I have some caveats, however.

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And I'm surprised that you are "adamantly" against this new format. I know you voiced some concerns previously, but I thought it went over rather well, and that seemed to be the majority opinion. Is there one specific reason why you prefer the original method?
My biggest concern: the majority will not listen to all of the playlists. Rather than affording users time to listen to the playlists through a scheduled playoff system, throwing all of the entries into a pot and letting people do what they will with them for a set time period fosters procrastination. If you require participants to submit their rankings (or else be disqualified), they will likely resign themselves to eventually throwing the list together immediately prior to the deadline without having heard them all. I can speak from experience on this one.

Also (this is a less significant issue), I felt the unveiling of the final results was fairly anticlimactic:

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If the new system is implemented, it needs a lot of work, especially when transposed to a full game with more participants and double the music.
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i'd definitely rather voting open to the entire site. it's inevitable nobody will listen to all of the lists, so we've got to hope that polls will actually be voted on by people who have listened, even if they're not in the tournament.

plus you can't really expect to attract new contestants if your further segregate it from the rest of the forum.
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I'll do it. I just need the rules, format, etc, explained to me if/when the time comes. I never really paid all that much attention to the DI competitions, not 100% sure why.

So, if this does go down, count me in. I might need someone like YLB to upload stuff for me, though.
I've got no problem uploading anything for you, just let me know.

If there's another one of these, I might just sit it out. It's not that I'm against the same people coming back repeatedly, but I do think that having at least a pocket of different people contribute to variety in the overall song choice and the like. Giving up my spot, like Phanan alluded to earlier, would help out a lot in this regard.

I also think it should be one of two ways:

1. The same tournament style implemented for DI 3 and beyond, as long as people get about a month's time to listen to each list, or at least attempt to. The two things I've had against this system are the seeding methods and sometimes arbitrary voting, either by someone only listening to one of the lists or voting based on the person or some shit like that. It's happened.

2. Just be a pure list submission with constant feedback, either a summary or running diary posted, and it's more of an open discussion as opposed to a competition. Like the Best of the '00s tourney, a ranked list would still be sent in and tallied, but it wouldn't be the focus of the exercise, as it shouldn't be. Maybe this way there wouldn't be a cap on how many could participate, thereby allowing more "new" faces to submit lists.
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I've got no problem uploading anything for you, just let me know.

If there's another one of these, I might just sit it out. It's not that I'm against the same people coming back repeatedly, but I do think that having at least a pocket of different people contribute to variety in the overall song choice and the like. Giving up my spot, like Phanan alluded to earlier, would help out a lot in this regard.

I also think it should be one of two ways:

1. The same tournament style implemented for DI 3 and beyond, as long as people get about a month's time to listen to each list, or at least attempt to. The two things I've had against this system are the seeding methods and sometimes arbitrary voting, either by someone only listening to one of the lists or voting based on the person or some shit like that. It's happened.

2. Just be a pure list submission with constant feedback, either a summary or running diary posted, and it's more of an open discussion as opposed to a competition. Like the Best of the '00s tourney, a ranked list would still be sent in and tallied, but it wouldn't be the focus of the exercise, as it shouldn't be. Maybe this way there wouldn't be a cap on how many could participate, thereby allowing more "new" faces to submit lists.
Maybe the actual tournament could be like part 1. But then there could be a contestant's pick or something in the vein of part 2.

It would be sad if you sat out. I generally like your lists a lot (for the most part), and I was introduced to Kanye West, Ratatat, and various other goodness from your lists.
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i totally think we should do another di. i've got a list i've been sitting on for over a year. i just think we should get something going. if anyone's afraid of participating, well, look at the last di. someone who's a non-regular (i don't remember if mr. v had submitted lists before, which is why i hesitate to use the phrase di newbie or something) won. it's not always the same old same old. even then, i think most of the people who regularly contribute :ahem: tend to produce different lists. so yeah. i just hope i don't miss out on signing up, or i might delete the playlist out of frustration.
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Maybe the actual tournament could be like part 1. But then there could be a contestant's pick or something in the vein of part 2.

It would be sad if you sat out. I generally like your lists a lot (for the most part), and I was introduced to Kanye West, Ratatat, and various other goodness from your lists.
Thanks, I appreciate it. I can post a list independently from the main tourney, too, an idea I've tinkered with in the past.

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Thanks, I appreciate it. I can post a list independently from the main tourney, too, an idea I've tinkered with in the past.

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Maybe you and I can collaborate on a list.

"The list.....had been the tangerine"
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Maybe you and I can collaborate on a list.

"The list.....had been the tangerine"
As long as this is the cover, with a tangerine on his head, I'm in:

EDIT: SURPRISE.
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As long as this is the cover, with a tangerine on his head, I'm in:
Take the image down, now, please, lest you ruin the surprise.....but, done.
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You're right, my mistake. Edited.

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