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Old 11-16-2009, 06:46 PM   #106
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It matters to me, especially when we're talking about this in an Artist of the Decade thread. I certainly don't view Amnesiac as an attempt to milk more money out of the sessions by releasing a bunch of crap that wasn't good enough for the other album. Of course one album is going to be viewed as better than the other. And of course the shock value of the albums being so out of left field is going to wear off when the second one is released. Who knows what the reception would have been had Amnesiac been released first?
Ok, it matters to you, all I'm saying is that you don't have to be conscious about it during the fact to make it any more valuable as art. I would say the majority of art is created and then explained and sorted after the fact. You're right, who knows how it would be received it was released before, I just know how I would have recieved it...



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Publicity stunt implies that something was only done to generate attention. Since Radiohead doesn't have a history of this kind of thing, and has given the specific reasons for releasing it online, you are VERY MUCH questioning their integrity. What the fuck do you think it means when you make a baiting, unfounded statement like that?
I think it was done to generate attention, nothing wrong with that... I wouldn't say it's unfounded, many have said the same thing including fellow musicians. They never released the numbers and like I asked before haven't they come out and said they won't do it again? Or am I dreaming this?

Like I said if they stick with this model, I'll think differently.
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Old 11-16-2009, 08:22 PM   #107
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so, therefore, i have to say that it was Kanye's decade, he's the only one who hits all the marks required of great popular music. and his currency is hip-hop, the dominant genre of the decade. enormous cross-over appeal, enormous critical respect, enormous sales, enormous (yes) talent. it's too bad he often trips over being a giant douchebag.
Agree with pretty much all that you wrote.
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i think a "band of the decade" has to "arrive" -- so to speak -- during that decade. i don't think it's something you could win twice. i think its crystal clear that U2 was the band of the 80s, just as Radiohead was in the 90s (not that RH's output was necessarily better than U2, i'd put it at AB > TB > OK > Z > P > PH), but the 90s was when RH became a band for the ages, like U2 in the 80s.

so, therefore, i have to say that it was Kanye's decade, he's the only one who hits all the marks required of great popular music. and his currency is hip-hop, the dominant genre of the decade. enormous cross-over appeal, enormous critical respect, enormous sales, enormous (yes) talent. it's too bad he often trips over being a giant douchebag.

(and if Coldplay weren't as universally hated as much as they are loved, they'd be in the Top 3)
I'd probably go with Kanye for "artist of the decade," agreed. Although if I wanted to defend U2 and be snarky, I'd point out that Kanye West was a support act for U2... they're still the biggest act in the land
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A friend of mine suggested Gorillaz because they stretched through such a wide array of genres and collaborators both within the band and from the outside. Plus, their set-up challenges the idea of what constitutes a band in the first place. It's comparable to a stage-act, but you don't see the puppeteers pulling the strings, even in the live shows.

I'd add them to my personal shortlist besides OutKast (no one else agrees or disagrees with their inclusion into the discussion?), Kanye, and Radiohead.
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There's no denying Outkast is mega talented and they have platinum certification, however their output (and impact?) post 2004 is ?
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I think they've only put out the Idlewild soundtrack, but the reverberations of Stankonia and Speakerboxxx/The Love Below have definitely been felt since.
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so, therefore, i have to say that it was Kanye's decade, he's the only one who hits all the marks required of great popular music. and his currency is hip-hop, the dominant genre of the decade. enormous cross-over appeal, enormous critical respect, enormous sales, enormous (yes) talent. it's too bad he often trips over being a giant douchebag.
I consider Kanye a weak candidate for similar reasons to Outkast; his commercial dominance as a solo act didn't begin until 2004, allowing for several years of relative obscurity. His influence pre-solo years was undeniable though. Where would the hip-hop world have been without The Blueprint?

Though I consider their work artistically inferior to that of Radiohead, Kanye, or Outkast, Coldplay fits your definition as well as mine; they released three good, hugely successful records (and one giant piece of shit that was inexplicably popular as well) spanning the entirety of 2000-2009, dominating every available second of the decade. I voted Radiohead in the poll simply because I consider their best 00s records essential, but Coldplay is the strongest candidate here IMO.
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If they didn't release the undeniably mediocre-at-best, X&Y, I'd put Coldplay into that conversation, too. Even if I'm not their biggest fan, their three other albums have some quality material on them and their commercial appeal can't be understated.
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Obama is clearly the artist of the decade.
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I consider Kanye a weak candidate for similar reasons to Outkast; his commercial dominance as a solo act didn't begin until 2004, allowing for several years of relative obscurity. His influence pre-solo years was undeniable though. Where would the hip-hop world have been without The Blueprint?

agreed about Outkast, though i'd still put them high up there. is "Hey Ya" the song of the decade? were they on the original RS list?


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Though I consider their work artistically inferior to that of Radiohead, Kanye, or Outkast, Coldplay fits your definition as well as mine; they released three good, hugely successful records (and one giant piece of shit that was inexplicably popular as well) spanning the entirety of 2000-2009, dominating every available second of the decade. I voted Radiohead in the poll simply because I consider their best 00s records essential, but Coldplay is the strongest candidate here IMO.


yes, i do think Coldplay is up there. the issue is that they inspire out-and-out hatred that's on part with the (equally unfair) hatred of Bono.

which was the piece of shit album? i assume X&Y? because i'd agree.

still, on many fronts, U2 is as good a selection as any. three generally very well received albums, three extremely well received tours, Bono's ascendence to a level of galactic importance almost on par with his own perception of himself ... it's been quite a decade for them, and what's shocking is that they remained good into their 40s. perhaps the should get bonus points for that?
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so, therefore, i have to say that it was Kanye's decade, he's the only one who hits all the marks required of great popular music. and his currency is hip-hop, the dominant genre of the decade. enormous cross-over appeal, enormous critical respect, enormous sales, enormous (yes) talent.
I don't think though that West's enormous commercial success in USA quite matched his sales outside of it, certainly not for the last album. Not that he hasn't done well, but he can't really compare to, say, Coldplay who have a genuinely huge worldwide success. They're probably the only new band from this decade who have managed it.
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I have trouble swallowing Radiohead as the "Band of the 90s" over the Band of this decade, if we have to bestow one title or the other upon them.
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for me, i think that "arrival" is important. U2 will always be remembered for arriving in the 1980s, despite the fact that AB and some of the work this decade is on par (if not better) than their 80s output, that's why i put Radiohead in the 1990s.

but i really, really am not mentally or emotionally equipped for an in-depth Radiohead discussion.

i think the point about Coldplay's global success is well taken.
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agreed about Outkast, though i'd still put them high up there. is "Hey Ya" the song of the decade? were they on the original RS list?
Hey Ya is undoubtedly one of the finest, most naturally fun and catchy pop songs this decade has seen, and I think it's a shame that Outkast's output dwindled down to nothing after Speakerboxxx/Love Below. I don't think they had another Aquemini in them, but it was clear that they were still capable of crafting the best hip-hop albums out there. I'm very excited for the supposed 2010 release of Big Boi's first proper solo album, Sir Luscious Left Foot. The few tracks I've heard from it have been on par with his Speakerboxxx material.

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which was the piece of shit album? i assume X&Y? because i'd agree.
Certainly. "X&Y" and "piece of shit" are synonymous with one another.

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still, on many fronts, U2 is as good a selection as any. three generally very well received albums, three extremely well received tours, Bono's ascendence to a level of galactic importance almost on par with his own perception of himself ... it's been quite a decade for them, and what's shocking is that they remained good into their 40s. perhaps the should get bonus points for that?
Setting aside the opinion that a Band of the Decade should have originated more or less within that decade, as well as my own personal biases, I agree. From a commercial standpoint, it's easy to argue U2's case, especially if you magnify the tour revenue. Factoring in my personal biases, I don't believe that the release of three largely complacent albums with generally positive critical consenses places them above Coldplay. Rather, it places them beside Coldplay, and perhaps below, as Coldplay had to build their own career in the span of 10 years, while U2 was already there, previously well past it. One could argue that U2 had to rebuild their career somewhat after Pop, but it's just not the same to me. Coldplay, for all their flaws, tapped into the mainstream early on, staying true to their own wussy, laughably uncool selves throughout, and made it work. That's to be applauded.
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There's only one band on the list that has inspired me with consistently strong albums, artistry and vision, showmanship, etc.: Wilco. They absolutely flourished this decade, although it could be claimed that they have stagnated a bit over the last two albums. And those albums are still very good, even if not groundbreaking.
From the others (at least the rock bands) on the list, I see a varied output quality, if not a complete lack thereof.
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