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Old 10-29-2009, 01:47 AM   #31
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-Radiohead sucks, except for "There There".

-Thom Yorke is an asshole.

-Lady Gaga sucks.

-Zooropa > All other U2 albums combined.

-Tiny Tim was more than a novelty act, contrary to popular belief.
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Old 10-29-2009, 01:48 AM   #32
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You don't give HTTT enough credit. I do think that it's inconsistent, but it's at least half great, if not moreso.
God knows I've tried. I've listened to that record more often over the years than a few albums in my top 50 all-time. Maybe 4-5 songs I really like, but the rest is flat. Radiohead will always be one of my favorite bands, but Hail and Pablo Honey aren't worthy of the Radiohead name. Amnesiac gets a lot of grace from me because of the handful of tracks that rank among their greatest, but it has its flaws as well.
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-Tiny Tim was more than a novelty act, contrary to popular belief.
Is this really that unpopular? Maybe I'm just out of touch with the general populace, on this one, but the dude was clearly some kind of insane genius.
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i would hit that with the ugly stick, if you...oh wait, he already has.


incidentally, how did we get to star wars innuendo from isabel lucas?
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-Zooropa > All other U2 albums combined.
That is one BOLD statement.
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Anybody can sing. I think what you meant, perhaps, was that Thom Yorke can't sing well.


But then, of course, you'd be wildly incorrect.
i can definitely see where people are coming from when they say it's his voice that puts them off the band altogether. i love radiohead, but he is a long, long way from my favourite singer.
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God knows I've tried. I've listened to that record more often over the years than a few albums in my top 50 all-time. Maybe 4-5 songs I really like, but the rest is flat. Radiohead will always be one of my favorite bands, but Hail and Pablo Honey aren't worthy of the Radiohead name. Amnesiac gets a lot of grace from me because of the handful of tracks that rank among their greatest, but it has its flaws as well.
it's a hard album to like, i've found, hail to the thief. not one track on there that really stands out to me as a 10, and they are some truly ordinary songs on there. as you've said in the past there's potential for a great EP.

Amnesiac is my least favourite album though (by Radiohead), as i think the only redeeming features are the incredible Pyramid Song, the hypnotic Packt, and the drunken brass of Life in a Glasshouse. I Might Be Wrong might have a great riff, but Thom destroys it with a nothing vocal.
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If not for Kurt's death...

...I'm not convinced Nirvana would have been the legendary band it is consered to be today. After the all the hype of "Nevermind", Nirvana had already begun to experience a slide in sales and attention in the press before Kurt died. Groups like Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains had become just as popular, and the Smashing Pumpkins were on the bubble for being the next big thing in "Alternative" rock. Nirvana was really just another "grunge band" by early 1994. Kurt's tragic death changed all that. Alice in Chains is already considered a legendary band by many (including by yours truly) in its own right, but had Layne Staley died in 1994 near the height of their popularity instead of 2002..instead of Kurt...AIC may be been viewed as THE band of that generation instead of Nirvana.

Don't get me Nirvana fan (and Nevermind, and In Utero are of my favourite albums) MTV live proved they were more than a 3-chord band...and the one thing they did have over the other bands I mentioned was Smells Like Teen Spirit which was a massive crossover hit. I'm still not so sure they would be idolized like they are today if Kurt hadn't died .


Two other "unpopular" opinions related to this one:

1) Dave Grohl's Foo Fighters are far and away a better band than Nirvana. It's strange to think that there would have been no Foos if Nirvana had continued on.

2) The convention wisdom that "Grunge" was "hair metal's" death knell isn't entirely correct. The seeds of Hair Metal's demise were planted long before Nervermind. Guns'N'Roses Appetite for Destruction (released in 1987 but took off in 1988-89) is what killed the hair metal bands. It was stripped down, agressive no-nonsense album that was hard rock but not quite metal, was the antithesis of 80s pop metal, and a breath of fresh air that even influenced some bands that later became "grunge' like Alicve in Chains.

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While I'd agree that the legendariness of Nirvana has probably been escalated since '94 due to the suicide of Cobain, I don't think Alice In Chains were capable of capturing the same high regard, even if Staley had died in identicial circumstances to Cobain in '94.

As you said, Smells Like Teen Spirit was a massive single, Nevermind a massive album, and the crossover factor was huge. Nirvana had it, Alice in Chains didn't and this factor is crucial. I do however wonder whether Pearl Jam (had Vedder died in such circumstances) might be more substitutable in this grunge argument. Though I do think Pearl Jam's star has risen post the peak of "grunge". They have proven they were more than Ten.
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Her last name.
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While I'd agree that the legendariness of Nirvana has probably been escalated since '94 due to the suicide of Cobain, I don't think Alice In Chains were capable of capturing the same high regard, even if Staley had died in identicial circumstances to Cobain in '94.
Grunge used to be my favourite thing in the world and Alice in Chains were my most favourite band in all the lands and I always listened to all the major records of the time and read all kinds of stuff about smelly Washingtonians with long hair, and not saying that gives me any kind of authority, especially since I couldn't care less about genre and subculture nowadays, but I do feel pretty much the same way. AiC just didn't have that same impact as Nirvana, and while they probably would have a bigger dent in the history of the time had Staley died eight years earlier, Nirvana would still be seen as the prime guys of the day, even if Kurt survived and they released a bunch of albums in the late nineties that were only marginally better than Puddle of Mudd. As it is though, I think Cobain, Grohl and Novoselic were all talented and smart enough to do better than that - hell, I still think the self-titled Foo Fighters album is really neat - it's more of a question of how much longer they'd last even if Cobain didn't kick the bucket.

I was really disappointed when I listened to Dirt at a mate's place recently and it didn't sound a tenth as good as it did when I was 15, but such is life.

















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