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Old 08-16-2015, 04:38 PM   #451
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^^^ This.

Like when Cobbler says The Beatles aren't in his Top 10 favorite bands and acts defensive, I don't think anyone would take issue with that. You love what you love. But Cobbler also says he respects and appreciates them, and really I think that's all anyone could ask for, as opposed to the contrarian dismissals we're seeing here.

To say shit like "XTC has more great melodies in one album..."-type shit is just straight-up trolling.
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The Beatles are the epitome of the "respect more than like" trope. I get it. My brain understands they mattered. Too many smart people have told me. Denying it would be an exercise in contrarianism. But none of that can make me love them. I just don't and never have.


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Old 08-16-2015, 06:40 PM   #453
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To say shit like "XTC has more great melodies in one album..."-type shit is just straight-up trolling.
I'm not, but hey, it's a good thing subjectivity doesn't exist in a thread called "Unpopular Music Opinions III", right?
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:53 PM   #454
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:59 PM   #455
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U2 could be better than the Beatles, if the last 15 years hadn't been so mediocre for them. The Beatles never fell off and their peak material is iconic.
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God damn it, I came in a little late for the meat of the Beatles discussion.

Not everyone has to like them. But overrated they are (mostly) not. The vast majority of pop/rock music that has existed since 1963 would not exist without the Beatles. Point blank.

The Beatles were in a position and were willing to do things that their contemporaries either could not or would not, and took music in the 60s to places it never ever would have gone otherwise. And they did it so well and so consistently. Don't get me wrong, they made a lot of utter shit. A lot of it was intended to be experimental, many times it worked and many times it didn't. But they always wanted to try something new, and worked so hard that what came out was magic.

There will never be another musical group quite like them. It may not be your thing to listen to, but you can't deny that they were truly some special force - musically, culturally, socially and politically - that was as game-changing in every possible way as a band can be. You don't have to listen to them or even like the music (although with such a wide-ranging catalogue I find it near-impossible to believe that someone could universally dislike everything they did) but to deny their uniqueness or downplay their skill or influence I think is just being contrarian and obtuse.
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I'm not, but hey, it's a good thing subjectivity doesn't exist in a thread called "Unpopular Music Opinions III", right?

Im pretty sure thats exactly what the purpose of this thread is for. At this point I don't see why we don't name it the trolling thread and be done with it.
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God damn it, I came in a little late for the meat of the Beatles discussion.

Not everyone has to like them. But overrated they are (mostly) not. The vast majority of pop/rock music that has existed since 1963 would not exist without the Beatles. Point blank.

The Beatles were in a position and were willing to do things that their contemporaries either could not or would not, and took music in the 60s to places it never ever would have gone otherwise. And they did it so well and so consistently. Don't get me wrong, they made a lot of utter shit. A lot of it was intended to be experimental, many times it worked and many times it didn't. But they always wanted to try something new, and worked so hard that what came out was magic.

There will never be another musical group quite like them. It may not be your thing to listen to, but you can't deny that they were truly some special force - musically, culturally, socially and politically - that was as game-changing in every possible way as a band can be. You don't have to listen to them or even like the music (although with such a wide-ranging catalogue I find it near-impossible to believe that someone could universally dislike everything they did) but to deny their uniqueness or downplay their skill or influence I think is just being contrarian and obtuse.


When I was a kid, I would have been suspicious, called you not a real fan for suggesting it was possible for people to respect but not be a fan of the Beatles. I agree completely now, though. But 10, 11 year old IWB probably would have tried to fight Liam. XTC can go fuck themselves.
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There will never be another musical group quite like them. It may not be your thing to listen to, but you can't deny that they were truly some special force - musically, culturally, socially and politically - that was as game-changing in every possible way as a band can be. You don't have to listen to them or even like the music (although with such a wide-ranging catalogue I find it near-impossible to believe that someone could universally dislike everything they did) but to deny their uniqueness or downplay their skill or influence I think is just being contrarian and obtuse.

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Frankly I think the "favourite" is not "best" distinction thing is rubbish. My favourite bands are my favourites because they make the music that I think is the best that I've heard. I don't expect anybody else to agree with my selections, because that's how music taste works, but if you ask me for the best bands I've heard or for my favourites you're going to get exactly the same answer.

"Influential", obviously, is another story. It's a fact that the Beatles were influential. But I am uninterested in their music, so I'm hardly going to be in a hurry to rate or respect it a whole lot. On the other hand, that very lack of interest means I'm not in much of a hurry to denigrate it either. Why would I? I don't usually sit around taking potshots at other old artists whose music doesn't interest me either. I normally avoid these discussions for the very reason that their music is so inconsequential to my life that I'm not motivated to participate in them, but clearly I was bored when I wandered into this thread.
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Floyd being cold and emotionless I've never quite been able to understand either. I listened to Animals this morning and it's still as fantastic as ever. Such a thrill.

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I don't really see how the artistic, technical, and even philosophical accomplishments of The Beatles can be denied. Trying to do so (not that anyone really is here, but some posters do on occasion) is just contrarianism for the sake of it. But there absolutely is a difference between appreciation and enjoyment. I wouldn't challenge someone who doesn't necessarily enjoy or "get" The Beatles, even though personally I find the back half of their catalogue almost uniformly brilliant.

There's also a distinction between "favorite " and "best" that I think is often lost in these types of discussions. If you asked me my favorite band right now, in terms of a group I am most likely to reach for, it would probably be Beach House, but I would never claim they are the best or most influential band out there right now.
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I don't know how someone can listen to Wish You Were Here (entire album) and hear it as emotionless. It borderline pours it on too thick.
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I can maybe understand how someone could say Pink Floyd is a bit cold - some of their stuff is kinda depressing, I'm sure we all can admit - although I would counter that person probably hasn't listened to them in any real kind of depth.

Emotionless is right out to lunch though. The vocals (both delivery and lyrics) and music are the polar opposite of emotionless, from Gilmour's mournful cries at the end of A Saucerful of Secrets, Rick Wright doing Us and Them, Waters on the second half of Hey You, even Mason's drums on One of These Days (go watch the Pompeii version and tell me that isn't incredible)...there are countless examples, and this is a huge reason why I love Pink Floyd so much.

Emotionless? Hell no. Anyone who says that should consider that it might be the listener.
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After doing a music project last school year where I listened to two hours of music each day from 900 albums (not the full albums, just select songs) that I got from the Album Project on futurerocklegends.com I have a newfound appreciation for Pink Floyd and some other bands that I previously considered overrated. But they still just don't appeal to me, I just can't put my finger on it. I like certain songs like Money and Another Brick in the Wall, but I just don't get that emotional connection like I get when I listen to U2. But music is subjective and that's just how it is.


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I can maybe understand how someone could say Pink Floyd is a bit cold - some of their stuff is kinda depressing, I'm sure we all can admit - although I would counter that person probably hasn't listened to them in any real kind of depth.

Emotionless is right out to lunch though. The vocals (both delivery and lyrics) and music are the polar opposite of emotionless, from Gilmour's mournful cries at the end of A Saucerful of Secrets, Rick Wright doing Us and Them, Waters on the second half of Hey You, even Mason's drums on One of These Days (go watch the Pompeii version and tell me that isn't incredible)...there are countless examples, and this is a huge reason why I love Pink Floyd so much.

Emotionless? Hell no. Anyone who says that should consider that it might be the listener.
As I recall Peef's done a lot of Floyd listening over the years, so I would take him at his word. Some music just doesn't connect with you. I've found maybe only two R.E.M. songs that I really, really, like. I think the grandiose nature of their music can put people at odds, and I've heard and seen a lot of people say that Pink Floyd leaves them cold. Even a song like Comfortably Numb, I could see people listening to that and going "well it's all there but just ehhhh".

Of course I don't agree at all, I'm firmly on your side. Time might be the most perfect Pink Floyd song, and the easiest to invoke what I'm talking about; it has all the overblown instrumentation and conceptual bullshit in it, 15 solos, heavy riffs, wistful, esoteric lyricism, but it all just works so amazingly well.

Rick Wright is a hero in that song. Easily my favourite and the (second) most underrated member of the band. It's no coincidence that most of my favourite Floyd moments contain Wright. Time, Echoes, Us & Them, Any Colour You Like, the list goes on and on.
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