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Old 03-01-2008, 07:24 PM   #541
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Yeah, that run down is very flawed. The Melbourne venue was configured to cater for 65,000 fans, and only 29,000 of us rocked up to the gig. They didn't even sell half the tickets they were hoping to.

And the Brisbane venue had a capacity of 50,000, not 25,000

The Cricket Ground in Melbourne may be able to hold 65,000 or more people for a rock concert, but the promoter Arthur Fogel only released, over time, 29,655 tickets for sale and all of them were sold which is why the concert gets the industry label "soldout".

If there were any tickets that were released that were not sold, the boxscore results would have looked similar to the result in Hamburg Germany on this tour:

September 11, 2007
Hamburg, Germany
AOL ARENA
Capacity: 34,596
Attendance: 29,150
Gross: $3,191,128
Average Ticket Price: $109.47

A total of 34,596 tickets were released for the Hamburg AOL ARENA concert of which 29,150 were sold. The 34,596 tickets was likely the initial allotment that the promoter went with went tickets were initially released. The AOL ARENA in Hamburg has a potential capacity of over 50,000 for a rock concert, but initially only 34,596 tickets were released, and no more because they were never able to sellout the initial amount of tickets released.


As I said in the begining of the above posting:

"CAPACITY is set by the promoter and sometimes is not the FULL CAPACITY of the Venue being played. "Sold Out" refers to the sell of each ticket made available for sale, and does not, necessarily, refer to the selling of each potential seat in the venue being played."


Every artist may hope to sell more by releasing more tickets to the general public, but the promoter will only release what they think is the most conservative number and then adjust the number of tickets available as sales continue or increase. If all tickets that the promoter releases or sold, then the concert is recorded as a sellout, regardless of what the real full physical capacity of the venue may be.

Here is the latest top 10 Boxscore from Billboard.com. Notice the capacity levels for two shows by the Police at the Tokyo Dome and one show at the Osaka Dome. Multiple shows at the same venue have their figures combined.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/boxscore.jsp
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So will the Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA show be listed as a sellout even though I can currently buy a pair of 7th row seats, or if I choose I can buy 50 seats together (not lawn, but actual seats), becuase in the end when they sell 8,500 seats, Arthur Fogel will list the Tweter's capacity for the Police at 8,500 and not the 19,900 it holdsfor every other artist?
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Can't wait for the long-winded reply to that one.
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So will the Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA show be listed as a sellout even though I can currently buy a pair of 7th row seats, or if I choose I can buy 50 seats together (not lawn, but actual seats), becuase in the end when they sell 8,500 seats, Arthur Fogel will list the Tweter's capacity for the Police at 8,500 and not the 19,900 it holdsfor every other artist?
Arthur Fogel planned it that was all along. Just like Edmonton's 20,000 empty seats, fans will be given voucher for seat upgrades.

Is it possible to "curtain off" the entire lawn in that venue?
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So will the Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA show be listed as a sellout even though I can currently buy a pair of 7th row seats, or if I choose I can buy 50 seats together (not lawn, but actual seats), becuase in the end when they sell 8,500 seats, Arthur Fogel will list the Tweter's capacity for the Police at 8,500 and not the 19,900 it holdsfor every other artist?


are those 7th row tix still available?
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The Police Gearing Up For Major Announcement In NYC - 5/6 @ 1pm

Tomorrow (5/6) at 1pm EST, The Police will join Mayor Bloomberg to make a very special announcement in New York City's Times Square (44th Street & 7th Avenue). Space is limited for this special event and fans will be accommodated as best possible. Fans should arrive no later than 12:30pm EST.

A press release of the announcement will be posted to http://www.nyc.gov soon after 1pm EST tomorrow.

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So will the Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA show be listed as a sellout even though I can currently buy a pair of 7th row seats, or if I choose I can buy 50 seats together (not lawn, but actual seats), becuase in the end when they sell 8,500 seats, Arthur Fogel will list the Tweter's capacity for the Police at 8,500 and not the 19,900 it holdsfor every other artist?
What you can currently buy now, 4 months before the show has no bearing on whether the show will be listed as a sellout after it happens on July 31.

Few artist actually put up for sell all 19,900 tickets that the tweeter center holds based on boxscore results each year for artist playing that venue. Some play multiple shows at a reduced capacity.

The last time Sting played the tweeter center as a solo artist, he played two shows with a combined capacity of 28,000 and total attendance of 22,000. The combined number of tickets put on sale for the two shows was 28,000 with 22,000 of them being sold. If Sting had been able to sell the other 6,000 tickets the show would have been listed as a sellout

I really don't think its that difficult to understand, but the way the industry works is that the promoter decides how many tickets to put up for sell and if all of those are sold, then yes the concert is listed as a sellout. Its not about the actual potential physical capacity of the venue, but the number of tickets you put on sale.

For example, there are three Police shows on this tour where the Police failed to sell all the tickets that were put on sale. Here they are:

September 11, 2007
Hamburg, Germany
AOL ARENA
Capacity: 34,596
Attendance: 29,150
Gross: $3,191,128
Average Ticket Price: $109.47

September 13, 14, 2007
Amsterdam, Netherlands
Amsterdam Arena
Capacity: 93,790
Attendance: 93,211
Gross: $10,216,228
Average Ticket Price: $109.60



Van Halen already has multiple shows all over the country that are listed as "sellouts" even though they did not actually fill every seat in the venue because they sold every ticket that they put on sale.
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Arthur Fogel planned it that was all along. Just like Edmonton's 20,000 empty seats, fans will be given voucher for seat upgrades.

Is it possible to "curtain off" the entire lawn in that venue?
The 30,000 seats on Edmontons second level were never released for sale.
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Well Hewson, it took over a month, but he didn't let you down.
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So basically you sell every ticket that you sell, even if its 3,865 tix at Giants Stadium, but since all the tickets you sold were sold, therefore its a sell-out.
Okay, I'm sold.
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So basically you sell every ticket that you sell, even if its 3,865 tix at Giants Stadium, but since all the tickets you sold were sold, therefore its a sell-out.
Okay, I'm sold.
I'm jumping in late here so maybe I've missed alot...

but I don't think it's all that hard to understand. If a lower bowl and floors combined hold 10,000 people and 10,000 tickets are sold, what will happen to me if I go to the counter and try to buy the 10,001st ticket? I'll get told, sorry, we're "sold out", right?
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I'm jumping in late here so maybe I've missed alot...

but I don't think it's all that hard to understand. If a lower bowl and floors combined hold 10,000 people and 10,000 tickets are sold, what will happen to me if I go to the counter and try to buy the 10,001st ticket? I'll get told, sorry, we're "sold out", right?
But the rub is that the numbers are being determined post fact...Fogel sees that the show in Edmonton sells at 50% of capacity and determines 3 weeks after the show that the upper level was not part of the capacity for this concert.

Currently at the show I cited at the Tweeter Center in Mansfield MA, all sections are available for sale, covered pavilion, uncovered pavilion and lawn. I just punched up 50 reserved seats together yet again as well as 50 lawn seats (TM won't let me try and buy any more, but I bet if possible I could buy a few thousand lawn seats). So the show is currently operating with the full 19,900 capacity...however in August the numbers will be presented by Arthur Strongbow Fogel thusly I predict:


July 31, 2008
Mansfield, MA, USA
Tweeter Center for the Performing Arts
Capacity: 8,500
Attendance: 8,469
Gross: $1,131,169
Average Ticket Price: $133.57
SOLD OUT
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