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Old 09-10-2011, 08:47 AM   #751
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Yep, the awkward white man dance will do it every time!
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You saw an awesome set, IWB. The love for Sad Songs is a great development.
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Yep, the awkward white man dance will do it every time!
I still don't like Boxer much though
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Have you heard Sad Songs?
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Still no. Must do that very soon.
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I was just asking because that's the only album I like less than Boxer. It's still good though.
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You saw an awesome set, IWB. The love for Sad Songs is a great development.
I'd really enjoy a more visceral, aggressive record from the National at this point, something in the vein of Sad Songs. I mean, sure, High Violet is a solid set of songs, but it's a little lackadaisical coming from a band who thrives on the unexpected live. I would love for them to tap into that energy next time.

Or, in contrast, go in a more baroque direction a la Exile Vilify, with lots of strings. Something spare, intimate and haunting.
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Old 09-10-2011, 04:29 PM   #760
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I'd really enjoy a more visceral, aggressive record from the National at this point, something in the vein of Sad Songs. I mean, sure, High Violet is a solid set of songs, but it's a little lackadaisical coming from a band who thrives on the unexpected live. I would love for them to tap into that energy next time.

Or, in contrast, go in a more baroque direction a la Exile Vilify, with lots of strings. Something spare, intimate and haunting.
Interesting that you say this, because High Violet to me strikes a perfect harmony between the visceral and the baroque, as you call it. Terrible Love, Anyone's Ghost, and Afraid of Everyone are as muscular and menacing as anything in their catalogue, whereas Sorrow, Lemonworld, and Runaway are subdued and melancholic in the same vein as some of the most affecting tracks from Boxer. Then you have England, which somehow manages to fuse the two styles with a deft touch. Damn, I really love High Violet.
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Personally, I feel like it will be a bad move on The National's part if they don't release something with a bit more energy next time.
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Interesting that you say this, because High Violet to me strikes a perfect harmony between the visceral and the baroque, as you call it. Terrible Love, Anyone's Ghost, and Afraid of Everyone are as muscular and menacing as anything in their catalogue, whereas Sorrow, Lemonworld, and Runaway are subdued and melancholic in the same vein as some of the most affecting tracks from Boxer. Then you have England, which somehow manages to fuse the two styles with a deft touch. Damn, I really love High Violet.
There's a difference between fuzz and energy. The production on High Violet is really heavy and murky, but the performances themselves don't feel energetic to me. This is partially due to the inordinately long song lengths, which remove some of the momentum that Alligator had with its 13 tracks and shorter overall length.
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There's a difference between fuzz and energy. The production on High Violet is really heavy and murky, but the performances themselves don't feel energetic to me. This is partially due to the inordinately long song lengths, which remove some of the momentum that Alligator had with its 13 tracks and shorter overall length.
This must just be a matter of personal preference between us. I see Terrible Love, despite its middling tempo, as just as energized as something like Abel. The two just have different types of energy. The former is almost an immolation, whereas the latter is more of an explosion. But I see your point about the hazy production. I think it works beautifully in the sense that it captures the uncertainty with which the characters are struggling, whereas the frenetic quality of Alligator is more an expression of raw emotion.
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Oh, of course it's opinion. But I truly do believe they need a jolt of "raw" emotion, just for the sake of trying something a little different. Another album of walking around at night with a bottle of Jack in hand would be kind of a bummer for me, although I realize most here probably wouldn't care what they do at this point. I don't think it could be argued that a better balance is necessary though; most of the best National songs feature an element of escapism or positivity to balance Matt's dour, dour outlook, and High Violet is almost solely the latter. It's a real bringdown, and I don't feel that about their other work.

But, again, it's all opinion, and I'm tired of bagging on a record I actually like pretty well. TV On The Radio's new one actually blows and I've only brought it up a handful of times. I just feel that the National are spinning their wheels a little.
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i think the point i might be getting hung up on here is this: LM, are you saying that raw emotion = an uptempo rocking song with semi-screamed choruses? i'm pretty sure i agree with iyup (although i probably fall into that category of people who'd be happy with anything they do now).
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