The Jazz - discussion, recommendations, shit, cat - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Just the Bang and the Clatter
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 04-03-2011, 07:10 PM   #1
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
The Jazz - discussion, recommendations, shit, cat

Jazz has got to be one of the most inaccessible genres out there, which I find a bit odd, considering I can use jazz music for nearly anything. I listen to it primarily as a study tool, but it rewards focus just as easily. The obstacle that people seem to run into as they learn more about the genre is an inability to discern between compositions, and I figure that a thread created with the expressed purpose of discussing such things might help people in their journey to becoming the unyieldingly cool jazz aficionado we all wish to be.

What some people may not realize is that the umbrella genre of "jazz" is probably about as dense with subgenres as metal, if not more so. I have never been able to get into free jazz, though I don't mind Eric Dolphy so much. Cool jazz is more my speed...it has such amazing atmosphere.

A few of my favorite jazz tunez:

YouTube - Right Off, Pt. 1

YouTube - Chameleon Pt. 1

YouTube - Charles Mingus - The Black Saint and the Sinner Lady - Track A, Solo Dancer
__________________

__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 07:18 PM   #2
Blue Crack Addict
 
GirlsAloudFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Chicago
Posts: 24,862
Local Time: 07:40 PM
__________________

__________________
GirlsAloudFan is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 07:22 PM   #3
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
Karl Malone judged that NCAA slam dunk competition the other night. He's into short guys.
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 07:52 PM   #4
LJT
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
LJT's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Belfast
Posts: 5,039
Local Time: 02:40 AM
YouTube - Brad Mehldau - Paranoid Android (Part 1)

Brad Mehldau solo or as a trio is pretty good, especially the covers, his Paranoid Android is appropriately epic at 18 minutes but worth every second of it.

There is also little better than some Duke Ellington.
__________________
LJT is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 10:09 PM   #5
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Pushing my wheel of love.
Posts: 8,887
Local Time: 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LemonMelon View Post
The obstacle that people seem to run into as they learn more about the genre is an inability to discern between compositions...
This is quite accurate, I think, especially when talking about the differences between modal and hard-bop, for instance. I've listened to a lot of jazz, and the distinction between those sub-genres is still lost on me. I think, however, that the following five albums break down the fundamental directions that has jazz followed quite well:

Thelonious Monk, Genius of Modern Music, Volumes 1 & 2: one the progenitors of abstract song structures and unconventional melodies

Miles Davis, Kind of Blue: the culmination of the atmospheric but rousing tradition of Ellington, Armstrong, and Parker, among others

Charles Mingus, Blues & Roots: the best encapsulation of the blues influence in jazz

Ornette Coleman, Free Jazz: the progenitor of the "avant" category that Coltrane would come to dominate

Herbie Hancock, Head Hunters: along with Bitches Brew and On the Corner, the encapsulation of the funk-rock-jazz "fusion"
__________________
iron yuppie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 11:35 PM   #6
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by iron yuppie
Charles Mingus, Blues & Roots: the best encapsulation of the blues influence in jazz
Hell yes. If anyone dares peg jazz as cold and wholly intellectual, the passion in that album melts any cynicism. It's amazing.
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-03-2011, 11:47 PM   #7
45:33
 
cobl04's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: East Point to Shaolin
Posts: 53,000
Local Time: 12:40 PM
I will, in due time, get started on the ex-CELL-ent! list that iYup sent me.
__________________
cobl04 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 02:38 AM   #8
Blue Crack Supplier
 
lazarus's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Los Angeles, California
Posts: 36,173
Local Time: 05:40 PM
Me and my Droogs are gonna come up with some suggestions, dig?
__________________
lazarus is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 03:14 AM   #9
Blue Crack Addict
 
The Sad Punk's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: VEGA INTL NITE SKOOL
Posts: 28,684
Local Time: 11:10 AM
My favourites are Charlie Parker and Duke Ellington. There's a lot of pre-50s swing stuff I love that could fall under here too, I guess. Gene Krupa almost made me want to be a drummer.

 
But I ain't ever gonna see the Nile anyhow.
YouTube - The Best Worst Record Review of All Time
__________________
The Sad Punk is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 03:33 AM   #10
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by The Sad Punk
Charlie Parker
My grandfather jamming with Charlie Parker and a band my father was in being asked to open for Loverboy are the cool family anecdotes I have to share. Clearly, there's a downward slope happening here, so not much is being expected of me. That won't stop me from doggedly asking Loverboy to open for me once I hit it big.

Listened to The Shape of Jazz to Come by Ornette Coleman tonight. The melodies weren't anything to write home about, but Charlie Haden's performance on double bass is remarkable.
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 11:43 AM   #11
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Pushing my wheel of love.
Posts: 8,887
Local Time: 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LemonMelon View Post
Listened to The Shape of Jazz to Come by Ornette Coleman tonight. The melodies weren't anything to write home about, but Charlie Haden's performance on double bass is remarkable.
That's an interesting assessment. I have always thought that the album is adept at balancing melody with off-kilter song structures. Anyways, Ornette has a two-volume set called At the Golden Circle, Stockholm that really emphasizes the rhythm section. It's a bit more swinging than his other work. I would highly recommend it.
__________________
iron yuppie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:21 PM   #12
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
For an album pegged as avant-garde, it was certainly more tuneful than Dolphy, and even some Coltrane I've come across. Just, yeah, the rhythm section was so fucking good that it was all I focused on. Conveniently, the mixing dedicated the right channel specifically to that.
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:23 PM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
iron yuppie's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Pushing my wheel of love.
Posts: 8,887
Local Time: 07:40 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by LemonMelon View Post
For an album pegged as avant-garde, it was certainly more tuneful than Dolphy, and even some Coltrane I've come across.
Yes, definitely. Coltane's Ascension and other late-period stuff like Kulu Se Mama are about as dissonant as anything that I have ever heard. I assume that you have heard Out to Lunch - how did you feel about it?
__________________
iron yuppie is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 12:29 PM   #14
A childless dog
 
LemonMelon's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Hollywoo
Posts: 64,624
Local Time: 05:40 PM
I would like to hear Out To Lunch a second time before giving any solid criticisms. I enjoyed it quite a bit, but it seemed a overly dissonant and aimless in spots. Hardly bad, just not really my forte, which is why I'm trying to deepen my free jazz experience with Ornette Coleman. Is it true that Free Jazz is literally two different takes playing at once in their respective channels? That's ballsy.
__________________


Now.
LemonMelon is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 04-04-2011, 01:37 PM   #15
Blue Crack Addict
 
Screwtape2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Omaha, Nebraska “With Screwtape on Kettle Drum and Wormwood on Harpsichord!”
Posts: 18,353
Local Time: 08:40 PM
My top 5 jazz albums of all-time for recommendation purposes:

1. Bitches Brew by Miles Davis
2. Romantic Warrior by Return To Forever
3. The Inner Mounting Flame by Mahavishnu Orchestra
4. Light As A Feather by Return To Forever
5. Birds of Fire by Mahavishnu Orchestra

Also worth mentioning are Save Our Children by Pharoah Sanders, Aura by Miles Davis and honestly anything by Sun Ra is worthwhile. My taste is slanted towards Jazz Fusion but that's the best jazz in my opinion.
__________________

__________________
Screwtape2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:40 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com