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Old 11-12-2006, 05:20 PM   #241
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OH HELLO
I am the ghost of Troubled Joe
Hung by his pretty white neck
Some eighteen months ago
I travelled to a mystical time zone
And I missed my bed
And I soon came home

They said :
"There's too much caffeine
In your bloodstream
And a lack of real spice
In your life"


I said :
"Leave me alone
Because I'm alright, dad
Surprised to still
Be on my own..."


Oh, but don't mention love
I'd hate the strain of the pain again
A rush and a push and the land that
We stand on is ours
It has been before
So it shall be again
And people who are uglier than you and I
They take what they need, and just leave


Oh, but don't mention love
I'd hate the pain of the strain all over again
A rush and a push and the land that
We stand on is ours
It has been before
So why can't it be now ?
And people who are weaker than you or I
They take what they want from life


Oh, but don't mention love
No - no, don't mention love !
A rush and a push and the land that
We stand on is ours
Your youth may be gone
But you're still a young man
So phone me, phone me, phone me
So phone me, phone me, phone me


Oh, I think I'm in love
Oh, I think I'm in love
Oh, I think I'm in love (think I'm in love)
Urrgh, I think I'm in lerv
Oh ...


What a mystical song. It is pretty hard to get meaning behind words. What do you think? Is it literally his land or some teritory he is trying to win?
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Old 11-22-2006, 04:59 AM   #242
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i just found this brilliant interpretation of this song (my fav.Smiths song) i thought I"d share:
To me, 'A Rush and A Push', seems to be about the exhaustive effects of touring and the push for musical domination. Morrissey seems to be saying, 'if people uglier and with considerably less talent than you or i have acheived fame and fortune, then why the hell can't we? (meaning the band).
However, there's also the disallusionment with fame; i have no idea if 'troubled Joe' is a real person, but i see it as a reference to Morrissey (and other frontmen ... i.e. Joe Bloggs, the ordinary bloke turned famous) being pilloried for things he'd said in the press, for songs he'd written and for things he'd done. He returns home physically and mentally exhausted, to concerned family and friends who think he ought to have found happiness / companionship with fame: 'surprised to still be on my own'. Yet, he still finds the strength for a rallying cry to his band and his followers (comparisons with Robin Hood unintentional) that if they were to strive even harder they could take this country for their own (or at the very least, rule the airwaves).
He exhorts those who care about him not to mention love because if he were to think about it, it would destroy his desire to do anything; music and the band are replacements for love and his need to be loved by millions is a replacement for the close love of a soul mate. But i can never work out if the person he wants to phone him is just one, or one of many; is he reaching out to the fans (using the masculine to denote all), or has he really got his sights set on one person with whom he has studiously tried to avoid a relationship, only to give in at the last? This would account for the cry of disgust: 'Urrgh, i think i'm in love'. Indeed, 'young man' may be himself, the object of desire someone different. But in the end it amounts to one thing, if he were to settle down and be happy, then the music is over. The land that we stand on is ours only as long as we share the righteous anger and sense of uniqueness to make it so ... fall in love and we're doomed.
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Old 11-22-2006, 11:30 AM   #243
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That's actually a brilliant interpretation of the song, I doubt I would of ever though about it in that way ever, but yeah, after reading that it all is makes sense now. Thanks, for tracking that down.
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Old 11-23-2006, 11:51 AM   #244
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Yes, i never thought about it in that way either...so ,i was so amazed by this interpretation. I liked this song from the very fist time i listened to it, but at this moment i can see its brilliance more and more. Only Moz could do that
Btw. did you watch "Who put the M in Manchester "DVD? He sings it so beautifully in that concert.
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Old 11-24-2006, 11:08 AM   #245
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Yeah, you're right, Moz is one of the greatest lyricists in music ever, few could ever compare to him.

and No, I haven't seen the DVD yet, but looking forward to when I finally do
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Old 12-23-2006, 02:00 PM   #246
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Bono: I remember hearing "How Soon Is Now" for the first time. You can always tell a truly great song when you can't speak after you've heard it, you have to pull over your car for fear of crashing. Edge was an immediate Smiths fan, right from "This Charming Man," and I got into him as a humorist. I remember us playing Manchester Poly, way back, and he was around. He's certainly a lot more interesting than the indie stable he came from. I loathed that scene. But Morrissey -- he's like Oscar Wilde in a Ford Escort.
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Old 12-23-2006, 03:01 PM   #247
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Q: Morrissey -- good or great?

Bono: I remember hearing "How Soon Is Now" for the first time. You can always tell a truly great song when you can't speak after you've heard it, you have to pull over your car for fear of crashing. Edge was an immediate Smiths fan, right from "This Charming Man," and I got into him as a humorist. I remember us playing Manchester Poly, way back, and he was around. He's certainly a lot more interesting than the indie stable he came from. I loathed that scene. But Morrissey -- he's like Oscar Wilde in a Ford Escort.
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nice quote, when was that interview?

By the way, have you heard the b-side on Moz's new single?
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Old 12-23-2006, 07:08 PM   #249
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Was This Charming Man or Hand In Glove the simths first single?

If it's this charming man, then i challange any other band ever to have put out a better debut single.
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Hand in Glove was their first, reaching only #124

This Charming man was their first "hit" reaching #25
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Old 12-25-2006, 03:26 PM   #251
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Quote:
Originally posted by Irishteen
nice quote, when was that interview?

By the way, have you heard the b-side on Moz's new single?
I dont know when was that interview. I like that quote a lot. Do you mean Sweetie pie (b -side)?Or live versions of some old songs? If i get Sweetie pie ,I"ll pass it to you.
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Old 12-27-2006, 03:44 PM   #252
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The other two are late nite, Maudlin street and Speedway
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Old 12-28-2006, 08:13 AM   #253
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I managed to get a hold of single with Sweetie-Pie on it, but wasn't able to find the other two

Want me to upload it for you, if you don't have it?
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Old 01-02-2007, 10:48 AM   #254
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Yes, i would greatly appreciate it! I didnt see your offer until now!
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Heres a question do you listen to The Msiths more the solo Morrissey? Because I love LOVE Morrissey, but i definately listen to Smiths songs more then just Moz songs. I sometimes find myself zoning out on Moz songs, but still absolutely adore The Smiths songs!
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