The Cure Survivor - Tier 1 - Round 5

[bono_212]

Double elimination, bitches. Both "Sinking" and "Lullaby" take a bow.


We're down to 12 songs and only 10 move on. A nail-biter, ladies and gentlemen and Djerdap.

 

[bono_212]

From the Edge of the Deep Green Sea, and then I'm coming for you, "Fascination Street".

 

[djerdap]

I'm thinking Lovesong. It serves its purpose as a sweet, albeit bland little ditty, but most of the other Disintegration songs are far more interesting, both lyrically and sonically.

Either that or Push, which goes into cheesy mode quickly after that great opening guitar riff.

 

[Axver]

Now it's getting hard. Lovesong or Elise for me, I think. I hope you people don't give Deep Green Sea the boot - easily one of the top five songs here.

 

[LemonMelon]

Wish shouldn't have been tier 1. I think there's a good chance all of its tracks will be gone this round or the next.

 

[djerdap]

Haha, nice edit, LM.

As far as Wish goes, the Show and Paris live albums really brought those songs - especially stuff like Deep Green Sea or Doing the Unstuck -to a whole new level. It really showcased Porl Thompson for his excellent guitar skills. No wonder Page and Plant decided not only to take him on tour, but cover Lullaby as well.

 

[LemonMelon]

 

[LemonMelon]

Wish is that album that is all "hey, this is actually kinda good for being so past their prime and all! Nice!"

Compared to Seventeen Seconds and Faith? Give me a break. Tier 2 for sure.

 

[bono_212]

Except you're wrong. It's the follow-up to their, arguably, most popular album. There was no expectation of anything but a good album, I would imagine.


Obviously I'm very open about not being a fan of Wish, but I highly doubt people had any trepidations about the album when it came out.

Now Bloodflowers. That's a, "wow, I can't believe this is good!" album.

 

[LemonMelon]

They were on the downturn. And it's pretty obvious when you listen to it.

Oh, and The Top should have been tier 4

 

[bono_212]

Pistols.

Dawn.

 

[djerdap]

They were at their prime in those years. Live they never sounded as powerful and fierce, while the album, though not their best, was certainly better than anything that came afterwards, was more consistent and focused than some of their earlier efforts and is certainly far less corny and dated than Head on the Door, Friday I'm in Love being a notable exception.

They were on the downturn.

Most albums in the history of music would be considered a downturn after something like Disintegration.

 

[LemonMelon]

more consistent and focused than some of their earlier efforts

But not Seventeen Seconds or Faith, which each sound like one 40 minute song.

Anyway though, yeah, we're not going to agree here. I've never seen Wish revered like it is here and can understand why that is.

 

[djerdap]

Faith might be more consistent and focused than Wish, but I find Wish to be a more enjoyable listen and can be in any mood to listen to it. It's also a far more interesting record guitar-wise and more versatile sonically. The highs of Seventeen Seconds are clear as day, but it is a patchy effort, where you can hear that they are still perfecting their new sound, with somewhat mixed results.

Great records though, all of them.

 

[LemonMelon]

See, I don't hear any consistency throughout Wish. It's one of those career retrospective records that takes a little from every Cure era. There's nothing wrong with that, I love many albums like that, but I don't disappear into it the way I do Seventeen Seconds or Faith. Plus, those albums are cornerstones of post-punk; highly influential and important records within their scene.

But yeah, it is what it is. Faith in particular did great in tier 2.

 

[djerdap]

In any case, if you haven't heard the Show/Paris live albums, I highly recommend them. The Wish material sounds fantastic live and much better than on the album. Plus there's excellent performances of Seventeen Seconds material like Play for Today and In Your House.

As for those post-punk era records, I still consider Pornography to be by far the best album of that era and their best after Disintegration. It's heavier, more macabre and less melancholic than Faith, which all fits perfectly for my taste.

 

[iron yuppie]

See, I don't hear any consistency throughout Wish. It's one of those career retrospective records that takes a little from every Cure era. There's nothing wrong with that, I love many albums like that, but I don't disappear into it the way I do Seventeen Seconds or Faith. Plus, those albums are cornerstones of post-punk; highly influential and important records within their scene.

Basically this. I think unfocused is an understatement for Wish. Something like Deep Green Sea is among their best ever tracks, but then one track later you get Wendy Time. Tough to make that kind of juxtaposition into sustained enjoyment.

 

[Axver]

Oh, and The Top should have been tier 4

I think you mean Tier NOT FUCKING CONSIDERED FOR THE TOURNAMENT. God that album is bad bad bad.

 

[djerdap]

Once Friday I'm in Love and Wendy Time are out of the tracklist, Wish is as consistent for me as any of their best. Plus the b-sides are pretty fucking great too.

All you Deep Green Sea lovers, push that other song out of the way.

 

[bono_212]

I think you mean Tier NOT FUCKING CONSIDERED FOR THE TOURNAMENT. God that album is bad bad bad.

I hate you sometimes

 

[Axver]

All you Deep Green Sea lovers, push that other song out of the way.

Done.

I hate you sometimes

Who doesn't?

 

[iron yuppie]

132,594 posts.

 

[KhanadaRhodes]

damn, i tried to make a three-way tie.

 

[djerdap]

Who doesn't?

I kinda liked you until you voted for the wrong bloody song just now.

 

[Axver]

I kinda liked you until you voted for the wrong bloody song just now.

If you hadn't made that bad pun, weellll ...

Nah, I like Push too much to stick the boot in yet.

 

[LemonMelon]

Wow, A Letter to Elise? Even I like that one.

 

[bono_212]

Survivors are cruel. I forgot.

 

[LemonMelon]

Why don't we vote for songs that we like?? Why all the hate??

Survivors are dreadful.

 

[bono_212]

So much negativity

 

[Axver]

Why do you listen to songs you dread?

Wow, A Letter to Elise? Even I like that one.

It's good, but not great - I don't think it should've even been one of Wish's representatives in the finals. Wish has much better tracks.