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Old 09-16-2009, 12:07 PM   #226
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Wild Life is a mess, and the middle of Band on the Run is pretty lame, I'm listening to it right now. I love McCartney though.

Interesting about Tug of War.

Yeah, it was just cool to read it in a textbook, which is more of a collection of editorials than anything else. Their chapter on the Beatles focuses on how they shaped the concept of a band and their pre-Sgt. Pepper work, which I'm less familiar with.

Is that album any good? Flaming Pie and Driving Rain are mixed bags, too, but I dug Chaos and Creation a fair amount when I first heard it.
What part of Band On The Run do you think is lame? I find the whole thing excellent.

Flowers In The Dirt is a mixed bag as well. It's certainly an improvement over his mid-80's crap, and has some good songs, but overall it's pretty ordinary.
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I always thought Band on the Run's title track was a bit cheesy. Like it's trying to sound epic and important. It's an eye-roller to me.

The lyrics are crap as well, for the most part. including this:

"Well, the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun,
And the first one said to the second one there I hope youre having fun."

Give me a break. Also, there's that point in the song where he sings REALLY LOUD for effect and his voice cracks and it's another example of Macca trying to come off so hard and sounding forced.

Live and Let Die is certainly fun, but a great song? I don't think so.

I really enjoy the Venus & Mars album, though.
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Old 09-16-2009, 12:31 PM   #228
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Beatles U.S. Sales for last week:

Abbey Road: 89,000 copies
Sgt. Pepper's: 74,000
The White Album: 60,000
Rubber Soul: 58,000
Revolver: 46,000
Help: 39,000
Let It Be: 32,000
Past Masters: 31,000
Magical Mystery Tour: 30,000
Hard Day's Night: 29,000
Beatles in Stereo (boxed set): 26,000
Please Please Me: 23,000
With the Beatles 22,000
Beatles for Sale: 21,000
Yellow Submartine: 14,000
Beatles in Mono (boxed set): 12,000

Although previously released albums aren't allowed to reenter the regular albums chart, there is a comprehensive album chart that combines sales for current and catalog titles, and the Top 10 includes Abbey Road at #3 under Jay-Z and Miley Cyrus, with Sgt. Pepper's placing at #5, The White Album at #7, Rubber Soul at #8, and Revolver at #10. On the catalog charts, the Beatles have 9 of the Top 10 spots.


NOT BAD.
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Then again, seeing Miley Cyrus' name above The Beatles is not pleasing to my eyes.
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I'd let her beat me for the #2 slot, if you get my ridiculously loaded with double-meanings reply.
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Old 09-16-2009, 01:25 PM   #231
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What part of Band On The Run do you think is lame? I find the whole thing excellent.

Flowers In The Dirt is a mixed bag as well. It's certainly an improvement over his mid-80's crap, and has some good songs, but overall it's pretty ordinary.
"Bluebird," "Mrs. Vanderbilt," "Mamunia" (!!!) "No Words." I'm iffy on "Let Me Roll It," but the version on the Back in the US live album is pretty solid.

"Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five" is my favorite track, by far.
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I get what you're saying. Reading about these personal experience is pretty enlightening, coming from almost a different era in terms of how music is heard, consumed, etc... Not only that, but neither of my parents are as big into music as I am, or at least beyond what was popular when they were younger, so it's cool to finally hear these landmark albums at an older age. I do feel that I lose something from not being of the moment, I guess. I'm sure people feel the same way in some respects.

It just got me thinking about recent albums that would go into that Pantheon of Albums That Shaped Me, and the list is pretty barren. Yoshimi? Funeral? In Rainbows? Slim pickings, to be sure.

yeah, i know what you mean about missing out on some of it by not actually being there when it came out. i think my mom, even though it seems she's like your folks in terms of never being as into music as i am (actually, it's kind of funny now. she listens to a lot of what i tell her i think she'd like, and she really digs the shins, decembrists, billy bragg, social distortion, and some other kind of strange things you wouldn't think someone in their mid-50s would be discovering with no background outside what's popular), in many respects thinks she's got one up on me as far as being a beatles fan because she did see them on the ed sullivan show, she bought the albums when they came out, remembers when john lennon was shot, etc. nevermind that she couldn't tell you which album "baby you're a rich man" was on, hell, i don't even think she knows about the medleys on abbey road.

slim pickings, indeed, for current stuff that has been just as influential on my life as the beatles' albums. actually, i think the only other thing that's made as much as an impact on me is punk rock, and that's a whole friggin genre of music (with countless sub-genres within itself).
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yeah, i know what you mean about missing out on some of it by not actually being there when it came out. i think my mom, even though it seems she's like your folks in terms of never being as into music as i am (actually, it's kind of funny now. she listens to a lot of what i tell her i think she'd like, and she really digs the shins, decembrists, billy bragg, social distortion, and some other kind of strange things you wouldn't think someone in their mid-50s would be discovering with no background outside what's popular), in many respects thinks she's got one up on me as far as being a beatles fan because she did see them on the ed sullivan show, she bought the albums when they came out, remembers when john lennon was shot, etc. nevermind that she couldn't tell you which album "baby you're a rich man" was on, hell, i don't even think she knows about the medleys on abbey road.

slim pickings, indeed, for current stuff that has been just as influential on my life as the beatles' albums. actually, i think the only other thing that's made as much as an impact on me is punk rock, and that's a whole friggin genre of music (with countless sub-genres within itself).
In addition to that, being 5 years removed from something, like Yoshimi, is almost after the fact. That's part of what make In Rainbows and Arcade Fire's two albums resonate with me, in a sense, besides a deep connection to the music itself.

Same with my mother, actually. I'd burn her mixes of newer music for the car and she really digs them. I can't even relate my Beatles love to her because she stopped listening to them around the time Sgt. Pepper came out (mostly due to John saying they were "bigger than Jesus," yadda yadda). And she'll only talk about Paul and Ringo, so there's that.

Interesting. Most of that genre, aside from the late '70s New Wave/Punk group, I have a hard time getting into. That and metal. Especially black metal, but not metal made by black people. I hope someone gets that reference.
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impy is so funny
He should have presented the VMA's...
Please show me where I was trying to be funny in the post you quoted. It was pointing out a pretty egregious error. Even if it was an intended joke, it wasn't any worse than this "presented the VMA's" sarcastic bullshit.

Seriously, man. Not everyone's out to get you. I know you probably feel like a victim because we all make fun of Oasis, and you're probably feeling like shit since they broke up and you can't mindlessly fellate them anymore. But come the fuck on.

Elevate your shit talking or don't do it. It's that simple. Step up your weak game or don't fuck with the big boys.
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I always thought Band on the Run's title track was a bit cheesy. Like it's trying to sound epic and important. It's an eye-roller to me.

The lyrics are crap as well, for the most part. including this:

"Well, the rain exploded with a mighty crash as we fell into the sun,
And the first one said to the second one there I hope youre having fun."

Give me a break. Also, there's that point in the song where he sings REALLY LOUD for effect and his voice cracks and it's another example of Macca trying to come off so hard and sounding forced.

Live and Let Die is certainly fun, but a great song? I don't think so.

I really enjoy the Venus & Mars album, though.
It's not like some of Lennon's greatest songs don't have average lyrics either; "we all shine on like the moon and the stars and the sun" isn't exactly reaching new heights.

Venus & Mars is decent.
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"Bluebird," "Mrs. Vanderbilt," "Mamunia" (!!!) "No Words." I'm iffy on "Let Me Roll It," but the version on the Back in the US live album is pretty solid.

"Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five" is my favorite track, by far.
Interesting. I really dig those, especially No Words.

Agreed on Nineteen Hundred and Eighty-Five; it's the best one on there.
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On Band On The Run, I could do without Bluebird, Mrs. Vanderbilt, and Mamunia as well. Ram is my favourite McCartney solo effort.
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In addition to that, being 5 years removed from something, like Yoshimi, is almost after the fact. That's part of what make In Rainbows and Arcade Fire's two albums resonate with me, in a sense, besides a deep connection to the music itself.

Same with my mother, actually. I'd burn her mixes of newer music for the car and she really digs them. I can't even relate my Beatles love to her because she stopped listening to them around the time Sgt. Pepper came out (mostly due to John saying they were "bigger than Jesus," yadda yadda). And she'll only talk about Paul and Ringo, so there's that.

Interesting. Most of that genre, aside from the late '70s New Wave/Punk group, I have a hard time getting into. That and metal. Especially black metal, but not metal made by black people. I hope someone gets that reference.
all pretentiousness and indie/punk cred-whoring aside, i do think a big reason i love random-ass bands like the street dogs or far from finished so much (nevermind the incredibly catchy, sing-along-y punk rock stuff that they are) is because i heard them at the beginning, before both bands' first albums came out. and i've seen them both live a bunch of times over the last several years. are they as good as other bands, whether we're talking classic accepted fundamental-to-music's-evolution good, or simply better-music-making contemporary equivalents, who's to say? but i'll take savin hill or east side of nowhere over zeppelin I, II, III, and IV any day just because i've got that extra attatchment from being around and being a fan from day one. but it also could be a load of bullshit. i might just be saying this so i can rack up the punk points for when i go to hot topic later.


outside of slayer, motorhead, and old metallica, i've always had trouble with metal. that european operatic stuff is kind of fun for a couple songs every so often, but otherwise...i just don't get it.
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Please show me where I was trying to be funny in the post you quoted. It was pointing out a pretty egregious error. Even if it was an intended joke, it wasn't any worse than this "presented the VMA's" sarcastic bullshit.

Seriously, man. Not everyone's out to get you. I know you probably feel like a victim because we all make fun of Oasis, and you're probably feeling like shit since they broke up and you can't mindlessly fellate them anymore. But come the fuck on.

Elevate your shit talking or don't do it. It's that simple. Step up your weak game or don't fuck with the big boys.

You, a big boy
Your as big as Walsall Football Club

(I was referring to your crappy posts at the start of this thread, and your style of posts in general, where you and your homeboys think your being funny, but as your american, the chances are your not)
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i'm angry at myself for not ghetto-dubbing* the solo mccartney and ram to my computer. how did i forget to do this?



*rigging what was a higher-end stereo circa 1988 when it was purchased (but quite a piece of crap when i copied all my vinyl in 2004) to my computer and using some freeware sound editing software to make myself some wav files that were then converted to mp3s...
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