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Old 09-04-2009, 01:15 AM   #316
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I also download out-of-print or never-released films quite frequently, as that's where my tastes have brought me, over the years. I dl'd a lot more, in Japan...since, you know, I was in Japan. Bela Tarr movies don't have English subs, in Japan. Just Japanese ones. It was very interesting and surprising to come back home and find that I had zero trouble switching back to the pay-as-you-go model. What with it being legal, and all.

To slightly Beatle-ify the conversation, I should point out that I illegally (unless I'm mistaken) watched some of Anthology, today, on YouTube. Weird, wild stuff. Right out there in the open, even though it's still in print and readily available for purchase.
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Dan, look, at the end of the day, I really don't care who steals what, especially from the music industry. I'm more playing devil's advocate here than anything else.

It's just hard for me to listen to arguments that make it seem like people have no alternative but to steal music in the name of listening to music. I am completely aware that it's the wild fucking west out there with music and a broke 18 year old that loves music is going to love donwloading a free album in 2 minutes. Were I in your shoes, I'd probably be doing the same exact shit.

I'd just do like Oneblood, though, and admit to stealing it and would not pretend like I had some sort of claim on the music just because I can garner it with little to no effort.
I'm pretty sure you just finally did what I was asking three times before and elaborated despite addressing a wholly other post.

So thanks, fuckburger.
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Boo Pandora. Every time I've tried to use that thing, it ends up playing the same 5 bands over and over. Maybe if I put more time into it, it'd learn more of my preferences, but it seems futile.



As am I. Just wanted to put it out there in case somebody jumped in and didn't realize.

That's probably true. I don't know much about Mozart's personal life. But, even if he did blow all of his money, virtually zero composers lived lucrative lives because of their earnings from performing and writing music.
I bring my Ipod to work but when I'd forget it, Pandora came in handy....took like 30 minutes one day and added a bunch of artists I like and that helped.

I'm sure you're right about other composers not living very opulent lives. I'm sure that just about everyone else lived similar lives, though.

Anyway, as I told Peef Dawg, I'm just sort of enjoying the debate. I don't really care if you download free music or not, you do what's best for you, of course.
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Oh, and I should admit to illegally acquiring Season 1 of Blake's 7.
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Ok Lance.
As each day goes by it becomes more and more difficult to decipher if you're being sincere, facetious, dismissive or passive aggressive with these sorts of responses.
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I'm pretty sure you just finally did what I was asking three times before and elaborated despite addressing a wholly other post.

So thanks, fuckburger.
You little fucking shit, I thought I made that point clear earlier, to Namkcur and to Oneblood.

If I didn't, it could be that I made the point in my head and did not type it.

Can I give you a hug now, Lance?

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The Beatles CDs are being sold pretty cheap right now in some places. People know that the new remastered CDs are what people are gonna be after

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As each day goes by it becomes more and more difficult to decipher if you're being sincere, facetious, dismissive or passive aggressive with these sorts of responses.
I'm rarely passive aggressive, come on. This was actually sincere, as if to say "I see your point and it makes my upcoming point moot now".
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It was very interesting and surprising to come back home and find that I had zero trouble switching back to the pay-as-you-go model. What with it being legal, and all.
Strangely I find myself frequently just downloading stuff I could get from netflix (I maintain a mid-level subscription at all times) just because I'm too lazy to send back a DVD or two and wait for something new (because by the time a couple days pass and it arrives I'm bound to be in the mood to watch something else), unless of course it's on Watch Instantly.

And yeah, I will justify my film piracy. Because I spend a shit load of money on movies. Average one theater visit a week, the monthly netflix sub., frequent digital rentals/purchases through itunes and game console services, and DVD BD purchases. I don't think Tsai Ming-Liang is going to throw a fit if I download a torrent of Rebels of the Neon God one day.
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I'm rarely passive aggressive, come on. This was actually sincere, as if to say "I see your point and it makes my upcoming point moot now".
Fair enough. I think the clarity is probably worth throwing in an extra word or two though instead of the ambiguous "OK."

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I bring my Ipod to work but when I'd forget it, Pandora came in handy....took like 30 minutes one day and added a bunch of artists I like and that helped.

I'm sure you're right about other composers not living very opulent lives. I'm sure that just about everyone else lived similar lives, though.

Anyway, as I told Peef Dawg, I'm just sort of enjoying the debate. I don't really care if you download free music or not, you do what's best for you, of course.
I may give it another shot sometime. When I am forced to listen to internet radio, I use Last.fm's station. It tends to be more accurate, I've found.

Again true. I'll admit that I don't know a ton about classical music. It's not really my forte, so what I do know has only been picked up from conversations with a few music majors and one class I took on the genre. But, to make another comparison, there were certainly less people composing music at that point in time than now. Being a musician was a much more exclusive career venture, whereas now anybody and everybody can record an album and release it. So, even when classical composers did get paid for their work, it was sort of inevitable considering there weren't nearly as many of them as there are musicians now.

And I will. I think this is a fascinating discussion, especially once it gets into details and gray areas rather than simply being about "stealing" and making it so black and white like a lot of people like to do.
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Fair enough. I think the clarity is probably worth throwing in an extra word or two though instead of the ambiguous "OK."
Did you accept my hug, though?

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Well, that's the case now because albums are bought so infrequently anymore. It's a vicious cycle.
Well, I don't think bands EVER made much from their albums, unless they were in a position to renegotiate favorable contracts after becoming very successful.

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Laz, do you do this with films, too? Lance? Do you guys download films for free and never pay for them?
Like Lance said, I only download stuff that I isn't available on DVD at all, or where the import is just out of my price range.

I NEVER download something I can see in the theatre. And I don't rent films, either. But I buy a shitload. Of course, the difference between seeing a film in the theatre and seeing it at home is much bigger than the difference between a purchased CD and downloaded mp3s.
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Oh, and I should admit to illegally acquiring Season 1 of Blake's 7.
Well since you haven't even watched it yet you're only half-guilty. It's like abducting and tying up a helpless woman but not having--

Probably not the best comparison.
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Well, I don't think bands EVER made much from their albums, unless they were in a position to renegotiate favorable contracts after becoming very successful.



Like Lance said, I only download stuff that I isn't available on DVD at all, or where the import is just out of my price range.

I NEVER download something I can see in the theatre. And I don't rent films, either. But I buy a shitload. Of course, the difference between seeing a film in the theatre and seeing it at home is much bigger than the difference between a purchased CD and downloaded mp3s.
Yes, I most definitely concede that it's an apples to oranges question, but it was based less on the industry mechanics and more on your affinity for the genre.
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