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Old 02-16-2014, 01:47 AM   #166
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How bad was Pete Best if they actually sat down and said "ya know, I think we're gonna go with Ringo"?
Maybe cut Ringo some slack? Dude is hitting 74 years old, and it takes a lot of strength and stamina to play rock drums.

No doubt in twenty+ years when there's some "50th Anniversary of the Joshua Tree" crap TV special, kids of the future will be laughing at Larry with comments like, "They actually thought that flabby geezer could play drums?"

In 1962, Ringo was considered one of the two best drummers on Merseyside, and he was probably the best rock/R&B drummer in England at the time. In fact, he was a considerably more successful musician than John, Paul, and George were for a few years before he joined The Beatles, and he was highly in demand.

I recommend listening to 'Live at the Star-Club 1962', 'Rain', and John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and then passing judgment on old Richie.
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I was under the impression that yes, that was somewhat true but that it also had a lot to do with pre-planned image/packaging of the band for marketability too. I think I George Martin said as much in some part of the anthology, but I haven't watched that in years. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with the whole Pete Best sucked and Martin wasn't sold on their ability to find a good drummer, hence the reason they got Andy White to play drums for love Me Do, and Ringo was relegated to tambourine...
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Maybe cut Ringo some slack? Dude is hitting 74 years old, and it takes a lot of strength and stamina to play rock drums.

No doubt in twenty+ years when there's some "50th Anniversary of the Joshua Tree" crap TV special, kids of the future will be laughing at Larry with comments like, "They actually thought that flabby geezer could play drums?"

In 1962, Ringo was considered one of the two best drummers on Merseyside, and he was probably the best rock/R&B drummer in England at the time. In fact, he was a considerably more successful musician than John, Paul, and George were for a few years before he joined The Beatles, and he was highly in demand.

I recommend listening to 'Live at the Star-Club 1962', 'Rain', and John Lennon/Plastic Ono Band and then passing judgment on old Richie.
I actually have no comment on his drumming ability. Only on his annoying dancing and stupid songs.

It's really not his fault... he just has the unfortunate task of having to be compared to Lennon, McCartney and Harrison.

It must be how Cooper Manning feels.

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I was under the impression that yes, that was somewhat true but that it also had a lot to do with pre-planned image/packaging of the band for marketability too. I think I George Martin said as much in some part of the anthology, but I haven't watched that in years. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with the whole Pete Best sucked and Martin wasn't sold on their ability to find a good drummer, hence the reason they got Andy White to play drums for love Me Do, and Ringo was relegated to tambourine...
Pete Best wasn't good enough, ie Martin preferred a session drummer/they probably feared losing the contract had they used Best... the band relegated the firing to Epstein.
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Pete Best wasn't good enough, ie Martin preferred a session drummer/they probably feared losing the contract had they used Best... the band relegated the firing to Epstein.
Seeing as how Epstein was their manager, it was his job to dismiss Best. Not any of the other Beatles.
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Pete Best wasn't good enough, ie Martin preferred a session drummer/they probably feared losing the contract had they used Best... the band relegated the firing to Epstein.
and didn't trust their ability to find a better drummer, hence why ringo was on tambourine.



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Seeing as how Epstein was their manager, it was his job to dismiss Best. Not any of the other Beatles.
They should have done it personally. It was their internal affair to deal with.

Epstein's job was to get them gigs and a contract, and along the way, make them financially well-off. That's what managers do, not fire band members.
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They should have done it personally. It was their internal affair to deal with.

Epstein's job was to get them gigs and a contract, and along the way, make them financially well-off. That's what managers do, not fire band members.
Not to quibble, but it is indeed the manager's job to hire/fire personnel in addition to the duties you've mentioned. Not the band members. In 1962, The Beatles were the employees and Brian was the boss.
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Pete Best was a band member, not personnel. Yet the band relegated the job of firing him to Epstein.

Andy White was hired, ie personnel.
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Pete Best was a band member, not personnel. Yet the band relegated the job of firing him to Epstein.

Andy White was hired, ie personnel.
Hell, we could have years of fun going back and forth.


In 1962, Brian Epstein, the manager of The Beatles, fired Pete Best. The other Beatles also wanted him gone, but it was Brian's job as the manager of the group to do the actual firing.
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this is a silly argument.
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