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Old 06-19-2009, 11:17 PM   #31
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YouTube - VW Pink Moon Commercial

call him a sellout, you cold, heartless bastards
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Old 06-19-2009, 11:31 PM   #32
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Admittedly, that was a great commercial. Just perfectly conceptualized and executed.

That's easier to rationalize, as you had a whole generation of people who probably never even heard of Nick Drake, or any of his music.

And his family probably NEEDED the money. Unlike VWilco.
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Yeah, because I'm sure Radiohead were focused on HOW they were going to sell the album more than they were on actually writing and recording it.

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The logic that has shown them sell some of their greatest songs to be used in commercials, including Satisfaction, Start Me Up and You Can't Always Get What You Want, and they were one of the first bands to tour with big corporate sponsorship.
I don't really see the difference unless you feel that The Stones wrote Start me up, Satisfaction etc focussing on selling the songs to advertisers

again, I don't feel Radiohead 'sold out'
but it just seems to me that if someone really feels that the value of music diminishes when you can't hear the name of a song without thinking about a marketed product (as has been stated by some in this thread) they would -according to this reasoning - have severe issues with In Rainbows
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I'd never actually seen it until just then, it's pretty cool! Fits perfectly with one of his best songs.

I forget, do you love or absolutely loathe Wilco? Loathe, if I remember correctly.
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I don't really see the difference unless you feel that The Stones wrote Start me up, Satisfaction etc focussing on selling the songs to advertisers

again, I don't feel Radiohead 'sold out'
but it just seems to me that if someone really feels that the value of music diminishes when you can't hear the name of a song without thinking about a marketed product (as has been stated by some in this thread) they would -according to this reasoning - have severe issues with In Rainbows
The difference is that Radiohead was selling their own music, not someone else's product. You're telling me that when you listen to In Rainbows, you can only think of their Pay-What-You-Want website? You may want to see your physician, or a brain specialist.

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I'd never actually seen it until just then, it's pretty cool! Fits perfectly with one of his best songs.

I forget, do you love or absolutely loathe Wilco? Loathe, if I remember correctly.
I like Wilco. I loathe their coronation as some kind of rock saviors.
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The difference is that Radiohead was selling their own music, not someone else's product. You're telling me that when you listen to In Rainbows, you can only think of their Pay-What-You-Want website? You may want to see your physician, or a brain specialist.
aww, you're so cute when you get all grumpy and start getting insulting

I never said that I can only think of Radiohead's marketing schemes when I listen to In Rainbows (this may also be because I have never listened to In Rainbows)
but I also don't start fuming at the mouth when I hear Satisfaction because the Stones felt like taking the opportunity to make more money of the song

I'm sure there is a difference but I still don't really see it
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I just don't understand what point you're trying to make. You said Radiohead were focused more on marketing their album than making it which is just plain conjecture, and also insulting.

Secondly, you haven't even HEARD In Rainbows, so how can you say that the experience of listening to the music has been tainted? Maybe you shouldn't use an artist as an example, or criticize them with regard to this discussion, when you really don't have an informed opinion about them.

And don't get me wrong; I don't think of Microsoft every time I hear Start Me Up. The music of the Stones, luckily, is good enough to overwhelm that kind of thing. But these commercials still cheapen their work, and lower their integrity, ESPECIALLY when these guys are already multi-millionaires many times over and DON'T FUCKING NEED THE MONEY. If you think that unlimited (government-wise or personal) capitalism is A-OK then there's really nothing further to discuss.
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And his family probably NEEDED the money. Unlike VWilco.
I don't think any of us can say with certainty how much the members of Wilco are worth. I still don't fault them for the campaign considering I've always liked VW ads (the Drake one being a perfect example). This is all, of course, easy for me to say as both a Wilco fan and VW owner.
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Your indie cred tank is running somewhere between 1/16th and E.
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I really care much less about that than I like to perpetuate.
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Look, i know you lot despise this man, BUT, watch this interview by GOD and listen to his visions of the future from 2006.

He has some stuff to say about selling out and Oasis & Radiohead near the end which is quite brilliantly accurate!

YouTube - Noel Gallagher Interview -Gonzo Part 4 of 4
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The music for this commercial was originally going to be by The Church.

So I can never watch it without screaming "YOU FUCKING BASTARD STOLE THE CHURCH'S COMMERCIAL!!"



(Hey...I figured I started this thread -- eons ago -- I might as well pop up and comment in it. )
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Look, i know you lot despise this man, BUT, watch this interview by GOD and listen to his visions of the future from 2006.

He has some stuff to say about selling out and Oasis & Radiohead near the end which is quite brilliantly accurate!

YouTube - Noel Gallagher Interview -Gonzo Part 4 of 4

I understood maybe 10% of what Noel was actually saying...
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