Steven Wilson - great musician or old man yelling at cloud - U2 Feedback

Go Back   U2 Feedback > Lypton Village > Lemonade Stand > Just the Bang and the Clatter
Click Here to Login
Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-24-2016, 09:59 PM   #1
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 150,737
Local Time: 11:31 PM
Steven Wilson - great musician or old man yelling at cloud

Bumping the Porcupine Tree thread gives the false impression there's actually news about the band, so let's have a separate thread for Steven Wilson's solo stuff - especially since solo career definitely seems to be his main path now. This interview contains a comment that's depressing for those of us who want more Porcupine Tree: Steven Wilson: Hiding in Plain Sight Review | Under the Radar - Music Magazine

Quote:
But it is frustrating sometimes that I have to explain to them, four albums into my solo career, that if Porcupine Tree was to get back together—and, by the way, I have never ruled that out—it will be a side project. There should be no question in anyone's mind that this is now my main musical path, my solo work.
Also read the link to see how fucking grumpy he is about social media and that people don't interact in the ways he thinks they should. But basically everything he recorded up to 2009 is brilliant, so I guess I can forgive him yelling at a few clouds.

He's released a new EP this month called 4.5, a sort of stopgap of outtakes before his fifth solo album. It's not bad, though the live version of PT's Don't Hate Me at the end is the most sterile live recording I've ever heard. They might as well have done it in a recording studio.
__________________

__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-24-2016, 11:36 PM   #2
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Danny Boy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Harvard Supermodel Activist of the Decade Runner-Up
Posts: 9,138
Local Time: 04:31 AM
I had forgotten about 4 ½ coming out. I just ordered the Blu-ray from Amazon.

I did the same thing with Hand. Cannot. Erase. and the 24/96 rip sounds fantastic. The Blu-ray comes with a bonus track to boot.

I'm happy that Wilson is consistently supporting high-res digital formats, especially when it's half the price of the vinyl.
__________________

__________________
Danny Boy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2016, 12:06 AM   #3
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Mack_Again's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: definitely Osaka
Posts: 6,585
Local Time: 07:31 AM
I sometimes can't tell artists are just becoming artistically challenging or just flat out self-absorbing
__________________
Mack_Again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2016, 02:03 AM   #4
Blue Crack Addict
 
GirlsAloudFan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Chicago
Posts: 25,256
Local Time: 07:31 AM
Old man yelling at cloud.
__________________
GirlsAloudFan is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2016, 02:19 AM   #5
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Mack_Again's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: definitely Osaka
Posts: 6,585
Local Time: 07:31 AM
see? this is why I hate prog or technical music or whatever. and instrumentals.
__________________
Mack_Again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-25-2016, 12:43 PM   #6
Refugee
 
Joey788's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,939
Local Time: 07:31 AM
I've only heard 4.5 once but I agree that it's an alright release of outtakes. I like the Neil Young style guitar that opens the record though.

Seeing him at the Beacon Theatre in March. Apparently, in addition to the entirety of Hand Cannot Erase, he's playing more PT material? That'd be excellent, given that I got into the band after they started their hiatus.
__________________
Joey788 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2016, 07:51 PM   #7
Refugee
 
Joey788's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,939
Local Time: 07:31 AM
New Blackfield album coming out next January. Apparently, it's a return to the full partnership between Aviv and Wilson, like their first two Blackfield records. Maybe this one will actually be worth buying then, unlike Welcome to my DNA and especially IV.

https://www.facebook.com/blackfieldh...0083748728652/

Also, yes, this one is titled Blackfield V.
__________________
Joey788 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-04-2016, 10:15 PM   #8
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 150,737
Local Time: 11:31 PM
Yes, definitely interested in that Blackfield album. SW's playing a gig in Melbourne later this month and I'll head down to see what he does but my expectations are low.
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-11-2016, 11:07 AM   #9
Rock n' Roll Doggie
VIP PASS
 
Mack_Again's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: definitely Osaka
Posts: 6,585
Local Time: 07:31 AM
Again, Guthrie Govan is a genius
__________________
Mack_Again is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-29-2016, 12:55 AM   #10
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 150,737
Local Time: 11:31 PM
So, SW last night. A bit weird for me. During Porcupine Tree's two tours of Australia, my love for the band was in full bloom and I was front row at all six shows. Incredible nights, all of them. They were very much defining events of my early twenties. I still count PT as one of my all time favourite bands. But last night felt very different. My indifference to SW's solo material, and my knowledge that VIP ticketholders would be let in early and already fill up the front, meant I didn't even bother heading down to the venue until about 20 minutes before he was due to start (there was no opening act). The crowd is clearly an older one now, with much more grey hair and no moshing. And the evening certainly lacked the definitive qualities of my experiences in 2008 and 2010.

But it was still a pretty good show and it ran for three hours. I managed to get myself about three people back from the stage with a good vantage point to watch SW, and Hand Cannot Erase is one of his better solo efforts so I was not bored by him playing it in full (Grace for Drowning or Raven would have been interminable). The presentation of the album with accompanying videos was very effective. The rest of the show had some good PT selections - I had heard most of them before, but the one I had not, "Don't Hate Me", was a definite improvement on the studio version (no awful sax solo, for one). I rate "Sleep Together" as one of PT's very worst songs so it continues to surprise me how good it is live, but I felt they added a bit of unnecessary prog wank to "Dark Matter". And easily his best solo song, "Harmony Korine", was in the set.

SW was much more chatty than I recall him being on PT tours, talking at some length before a few songs. A couple of these were in the "old man yelling at cloud" mould, including a ramble about the slow rate of album releases by bands "these days", and it's disappointing to learn that he thinks "The Raven That Refused to Sing" is the best song he's ever written. But other chat was humorous, especially his dry wit when the band fucked up "Hand Cannot Erase", or heartfelt when he discussed the passing of Bowie and Prince or the importance of music in working through emotion.

So I'm glad I went, even if the ticket price was insane and it meant that I missed out on The Soft Moon's show a few blocks over at the Curtin (though SW finished early enough that I could have just about made it!).
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2016, 09:36 AM   #11
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Kieran McConville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Auto Dafoe
Posts: 9,552
Local Time: 10:31 PM
I'm moved to ask if 'old man yelling at cloud' is your shorthand for 'guy who doesn't slavishly fall in line with every new thing'. If it did, I'm guilty as charged.
__________________
Kieran McConville is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2016, 06:23 PM   #12
Vocal parasite
 
Axver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: 1853
Posts: 150,737
Local Time: 11:31 PM
Kieran, do keep up with my Simpsons references.
__________________
"Mediocrity is never so dangerous as when it is dressed up as sincerity." - Søren Kierkegaard

Ian McCulloch the U2 fan:
"Who buys U2 records anyway? It's just music for plumbers and bricklayers. Bono, what a slob. You'd think with all that climbing about he does, he'd look real fit and that. But he's real fat, y'know. Reminds me of a soddin' mountain goat."
"And as for Bono, he needs a colostomy bag for his mouth."

U2gigs: The most comprehensive U2 setlist database!
Gig pictures | Blog
Axver is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2016, 11:18 PM   #13
Rock n' Roll Doggie
FOB
 
Kieran McConville's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2001
Location: Auto Dafoe
Posts: 9,552
Local Time: 10:31 PM
If I was Grandpa Simpson, I'd do that thing right now where he comes into the house, hangs his hat on the stand, turns right around, takes the hat and heads back out the door.
__________________
Kieran McConville is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 01-16-2017, 03:47 PM   #14
ONE
love, blood, life
 
Serena Vox's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: 32.63n 117.14w
Posts: 12,603
Local Time: 08:31 AM
Spot on about Steven Wilson being WAY more chatty than PT tours, Ax. I haven't seen him much solo, but there was a three year gap for me since he avoided the South like the plague after 2013 and I'd fallen well off the wagon to consider traveling to see him, I had other bands I wanted to see. But I did finally go see him again back in November. It was a pretty good live show, but tons of old people, zero moshing of any kind (which, I really don't care if you mosh or not.) and the ticket price was stupid for sure.

Good to know he had been using the same banter since Oz though, ha!

Really though, I had a lot of fun at the show I went to, but I've been far less impressed with his solo material than I was with Porcupine Tree. I enjoyed Insurgentes immensely as a collection of experimental stuff he was doing and I feel that Grace For Drowning is easily his best proper solo album, though I did gain a new love for HCE after watching it in full, live. I struggled so hard with that album since it was released up until that point. I enjoyed 4.5 a lot more, strangely enough, especially Happiness III.

The most annoying aspect though? The way they drew out EVERY. SINGLE. SONG. into some epic 10 minute self-indulgent and mind-numbing solo.
__________________
Serena Vox is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-10-2017, 10:02 PM   #15
Refugee
 
Joey788's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: New York City
Posts: 1,939
Local Time: 07:31 AM
Steven Wilson's fifth solo album, To The Bone, is out on August 18. Apparently, it's influenced by acts like Peter Gabriel, Kate Bush and Tears for Fears.

Steven Wilson announces new album 'To The Bone', releases single 'Pariah' - Steven Wilson

The first single is called "Pariah." It's pretty good, though not outstanding. Ninet Tayeb continues to prove that she's an absolute powerhouse vocalist.

__________________

__________________
Joey788 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
porcupine tree, steven wilson

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:31 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 1
Copyright ©2000 - 2017, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Design, images and all things inclusive copyright © Interference.com