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The 300 Best Albums of the Past 30 Years (1985-2014) | SPIN - Page 5
The Joshua Tree- top 200
Achtung Baby- top 40
The Joshua Tree- top 200
Achtung Baby- top 40
Spin's 300 best albums of the past 30 years (1985-2014)
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lazarus
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I guess we couldn't have expected AB to place that much higher, right in between talentless scum Beyoncé and Public Enemy's formidable debut. Not crazy about the snarky "about as innovative as Imagine Dragons" part though.
JT is shockingly low.
JT is shockingly low.
Joey788
Refugee
Yeah, the Imagine Dragons line was dumb.
The comparison to Babe Ruth switching from pitching to hitting is a fantastic way to sum up their reinvention though. Plus, it's actually a line that hasn't been repeated in millions of other write-ups. I wish I thought of it!
Also, Nevermind at #1? Yawn.
The comparison to Babe Ruth switching from pitching to hitting is a fantastic way to sum up their reinvention though. Plus, it's actually a line that hasn't been repeated in millions of other write-ups. I wish I thought of it!
Also, Nevermind at #1? Yawn.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
Terrible list. Lol at Celebration Rock above Funeral. Spin is trying too hard.
RaisedByWolves
War Child
On what planet does Lil Wayne - Tha Carter III rank higher than Guns N' Roses - Appetite For Destruction? I mean you all know how I feel about Kanye West personally but his debut album "The College Dropout" kicks Lil' Wayne's lollipopping ass any day of the week. Seriously, Jesus Walks and Never Let Me Down as far as Hip-Hop goes are much better songs than crap like "Pussy Monster"! That is very shocking.
RaisedByWolves
War Child
....one more thing, aside from my personal choice for U2's Achtung Baby at #1, I would argue the case that OK Computer could be first or definitely second in the list.
That's it for me.
That's it for me.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
At least an even better Kanye album, MBDTF, ended up top 10, way ahead of Carter 3.
RaisedByWolves
War Child
If I had to pick a Kanye Album that I liked best it would be "The College Dropout" BEFORE he got famous and grew a giant ego. MBDTF has that silly "The Best Birthday" profane Chris Rock skit that is seriously immature, duets with pop-tarts like Rihanna and Nicki Minaj detract from the album immensely and it suffers greatly from Monster and Power.
Kanye's debut and some of the tracks from Late Registration (minus Golddigger) are IMO more inspired and generally game changing than 808's and onward.
Wow! Unbelievable that I'm actually speaking about Kanye in a somewhat positive way, too much time in B&C I guess?
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
I'd call that a top 5-10 Kanye song, so I guess we're not going to agree on this one. But that probably doesn't surprise you, does it?
lazarus
Blue Crack Supplier
Yes, some people prefer his earlier work.
But there's no doubt that critical and audience consensus is that MBDTF is about as acclaimed an album can get.
One has to put personal preference aside when looking at a list like this.
But there's no doubt that critical and audience consensus is that MBDTF is about as acclaimed an album can get.
One has to put personal preference aside when looking at a list like this.
cobl04
45:33
There comes a point where these lists get pointless because you will never get everyone to agree. Cool to see Aquemini get some dues though.
He still had a giant ego back then. "My life is dope and I do dope shit."
Calling Rihanna and Minaj "pop-tarts" is overly simplistic and kind of offensive, particularly when Minaj's contribution on Monster is widely considered to be one of the best moments in hip-hop in recent times. There isn't anything close to a weak track on MBDTF and the two you mention that it "suffers" from are probably the two most-loved tracks on the goddamn album, Runaway aside.
He still had a giant ego back then. "My life is dope and I do dope shit."
Calling Rihanna and Minaj "pop-tarts" is overly simplistic and kind of offensive, particularly when Minaj's contribution on Monster is widely considered to be one of the best moments in hip-hop in recent times. There isn't anything close to a weak track on MBDTF and the two you mention that it "suffers" from are probably the two most-loved tracks on the goddamn album, Runaway aside.
lazarus
Blue Crack Supplier
Yeah, what an odd pair of songs to single out.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
So apparently the only acceptable opinion on MBDTF is that it's a flawless masterstroke from a tortured genius.
cobl04
45:33
Hard to argue with that.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
How would you rank MBDTF vs Kendrick's latest?
cobl04
45:33
MBDTF, in my opinion, is a masterpiece. So even as amazing as good kid, m.A.A.d city and To Pimp a Butterfly are, MBDTF still runs rings around them. I've said before that I think MBDTF will be the type of album that people are still talking about in 20, 30 years time.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
Pimp a Butterfly is one of the more inventive albums I have heard in a long time (from any genre), and the guy has a unique skill to express his intelligence/erudition in a populist way. I'm on record as a critic of MBDTF, I suppose, so probably not a surprise I would take Butterfly over it.
lazarus
Blue Crack Supplier
Where I think MBDTF has the edge is the actual tunes. Pimp is a very impressive album, but it doesn't have as many memorable hooks IMO. This isn't the sole measuring stick of quality, but it makes me want to return to one more than the other.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
1. MBDTF
2. GKMC
3. TPAB
With these three being probably my favorite hip hop albums of the decade so far.
Thing is, I would take Kendrick's last two over most of Kanye's discography and that is extremely high praise. The man is at the start of an incredible run. To Pimp a Butterfly is the measuring stick for 2015 and I really can't imagine being as enthralled by any other record this year. I hope I'm wrong.
MBDTF dominated 2010 for me in the same manner, the only album that came close for me was The Suburbs.
cobl04
45:33
What is it that you dislike about MBDTF? If I recall correctly you have issues with some of the misogynistic elements of the lyrics? I think one of the most impressive things about MBDTF is how self-aware Kanye is on that record. For a bloke who is very often misconceived by the public, he doesn't get the credit he deserves for his self-awareness. And for a record that is quite honest and personal a lot of the time it's very impressive how big it is in scope and how big and populist it sounds. I could spill endless words on it, honestly.
Yep, with you on this totally. I still listen to MBDTF, or at the least songs from it, very regularly. I've been listening to Butterfly heaps as well (just an hour or so ago in fact) but it doesn't match up to MBDTF at the moment. Those songs have stood the test of time.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
My gripe with it is largely thematic, yes. It seems he wants pity for being an asshole while simultaneously reaping all the fame and attention his antics have brought - it makes for a very unappealing portrayal of the guy. And lyrically it takes joy in reveling in all of the worst stereotypes of the genre.
cobl04
45:33
I think that's overly simplistic. From memory he was reasonably quiet after the Taylor Swift and George Bush incidents leading up to the album, and after its release I don't recall him saying anything outrageous. I don't take any of MBDTF to be seeking pity or sympathy; maybe Blame Game but by and large I think he just threw his foibles out there and balanced it pretty well with his ego. I don't think it's unappealing at all. The opposite in fact. There are hardly any hip-hop artists who are looking inwards (Drake doesn't count), even if it comes with a handy slice of megalomania as well. My fav track, Devil in a New Dress, is a good example of that.
Hood phenomenon, the LeBron of rhyme
Hard to be humble when you stuntin on a jumbotron
I'm lookin at her like 'this what you really wanted huh?'
Well we argue anyway oh I forgot it's summertime
A self-aware look at how life and relationships aren't perfect, told through Kanye's huge world but also maintaining a certain down-to-earth quality.
I also would argue that lyrically it does not take joy in all the worst stereotypes of the genre. There's absolutely times it does, but it's pretty standard and not really any worse than any other hip-hop album. And if I also remember correctly you love Yeezus, which I would argue has more questionable lyrics than MBDTF.
Hood phenomenon, the LeBron of rhyme
Hard to be humble when you stuntin on a jumbotron
I'm lookin at her like 'this what you really wanted huh?'
Well we argue anyway oh I forgot it's summertime
A self-aware look at how life and relationships aren't perfect, told through Kanye's huge world but also maintaining a certain down-to-earth quality.
I also would argue that lyrically it does not take joy in all the worst stereotypes of the genre. There's absolutely times it does, but it's pretty standard and not really any worse than any other hip-hop album. And if I also remember correctly you love Yeezus, which I would argue has more questionable lyrics than MBDTF.
iron yuppie
ONE love, blood, life
Not Monster or Runaway? Maybe I'm misinterpreting them, but they both seem to be harping on how misunderstood he ostensibly is. Anyway, I do prefer Yeezus. It's more direct and the emotions more focused, more palpable, even. I think the anger suits him more than the wallowing.
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LemonMelon
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Love it. Perhaps a few tracks too many, Chopper is far too long, but it's his third great album. Easily his best beats since The Cool, maybe longer, and he's always lyrically on point. Even LASERS has some good lines on it.
cobl04
45:33
I like it as well. Mural is stellar.
They do, but I have always got a sense of self-awareness from those songs which prevents them from being just another self-aggrandising statement. In both songs he addresses terms that have been lazily thrown around in terms of his character.
I do agree anger suits him better than wallowing though. Which is why 808s is easily my least fav Kanye album.
They do, but I have always got a sense of self-awareness from those songs which prevents them from being just another self-aggrandising statement. In both songs he addresses terms that have been lazily thrown around in terms of his character.
I do agree anger suits him better than wallowing though. Which is why 808s is easily my least fav Kanye album.
lazarus
Blue Crack Supplier
Not exactly an unpopular opinion. I know music is subjective, but I'd laugh in the face of anyone who tried to argue that 808 isn't his weakest album. Not because it's bad, but because of how strong the rest of them are.
LemonMelon
More 5G Than Man
You know, I think 808s is a more cohesive work than Graduation. I like Graduation more because Flashing Lights is on it, but 808s deserves more credit for its sequencing. If it weren't for See You in My Nightmares and Pinocchio Story, I would absolutely rank it above Graduation.
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