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Old 12-08-2015, 10:16 PM   #16
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Not any more, I guess. I loved them til Binaural, but haven't liked anything since then. And whenever I decide to spin an album I can't understand what I heard in them. Except for Vitalogy, but even that is only half as good as it was to me from 94-2000ish. I think they're the only band I loved as a teen that I feel that way about. Maybe it's that they prized angst over songcraft and melody. STP always put the song first. Maybe because they had the songs. I always change the channel when I hear PJ, never when I hear STP. They're one of the best singles bands ever.



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Old 12-08-2015, 10:44 PM   #17
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Yeah, thought so.

The shame about STP is that they'd get some momentum going with each album released, but then Weiland would derail it with his mental issues and substance abuse problems. His 2nd wife recently posted an open letter to his fans. She claims, in addition to being a shitty husband, he was a shitty father and stopped paying child support after he married his 3rd wife.
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Old 12-13-2015, 11:57 PM   #18
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:27 AM   #19
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They're one of the best singles bands ever.
Definitely a killer run of singles. I don't think they ever delivered a truly great album though as they were want to have a lot of filler on their LPs. Purple is the best by virtue of being half singles, all of them great.

I'm in agreement that they've aged surprisingly well and literally all of those singles not only sound more creative and clever outside of that bubble, but they also aren't as misunderstood as they were at the time. Songs like "Plush" and "Sex Type Thing" felt like trend chasing and frat-boy lyric writing at the time to some, but on closer inspection are very insightful tunes with a hell of a lot to say. The band married a sorta Pearl Jam sound with Weiland's sorta Perry Farrell artsier tendencies and it worked like magic.
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Old 12-15-2015, 12:23 PM   #20
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I think Tiny Music... was a prime example of a great album whose promotion was derailed by Scott's drug problems. 1996 was their year to show that STP were the real deal and have a bona fide tour to support their album which showcased their variety of musical tastes. Nirvana were done. Alice In Chains had Layne Staley and his problems. Pearl Jam had taken a step back thanks to all of the bullshit with ticket master, so their mainstream popularity had waned. (Even though, of course, they were still making great music) Same thing with REM. U2 were still working on Pop, so they were out of the limelight. This was STP's chance to show how truly great they were. But, alas, the tour was canceled due to Scott's problems. Costing the band millions of dollars. Looking back, I'm amazed the other members stuck with him after that, but he was their meal ticket as well as their friend. Yes, No.4 was a good album when they released it in 1999, but their chance for world wide domination was squandered thanks to the cancelation of the 96/97 tour. It just wasn't the same after that. There would always be that concern that Scott's demons could cost them deeply again.
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Old 12-15-2015, 01:37 PM   #21
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yeah, that's true now that i think about it. i still didn't have the internet at home in early 1997 and i remember buying tiny music after hearing big bang baby and loving the album, but not hearing any other tracks on mtv or anything. it was the first album of theirs i'd bought but i knew they'd released other stuff of course, so i didn't know if it flopped or what the deal was.
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Old 12-15-2015, 02:03 PM   #22
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1996 was a transitional year in mainstream music and it would have been great if they capitalized off it and toured and promoted more. But yeah, as others said, Scott's problems derailed them that year. I do remember all the singles released from Tiny Music because they did still at least make music videos for them. I remember the other guys in STP released an album and a video in 1997 for their side project Talk Show, which was okay.
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Yes, by then, grunge was dead and electronica had gained in popularity in the US. STP looked like one of those bands that would be perfect for that transition because their music had some variety. The Nu-Metal scene built up steam toward the late 90's and eventually STP would head toward a more concise aggressive sound with the release of No. 4. Although, a song like Sour Girl strayed from those aggressive songs.
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Medical examiner: Scott Weiland died from toxic mix of drugs
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