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Old 08-16-2008, 04:28 PM   #541
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My review of the Toronto show
I have to say I much preferred the Montreal show for a variety of reasons.

The performance
Radiohead was quite good and I liked hearing the added songs, but I wish they’d get rid of Everything In Its Right Place. I’d love to hear Motion Picture Soundtrack. Also, “The Goaming” and “There There” are some of my absolute least favorite songs on HTTT, though I enjoyed the ending of “There There”, but I will always hate “The Gloaming”; why not “I Will”, “Sail to the Moon”, “Where I End..”, “Scatterbrain”? I didn’t expect to enjoy “Wolf at the Door” as much as I did; even though it’s my favorite song along with “Sit Down Stand Up” on “Hail to the Thief”, I’ve never liked it on bootleg. Maybe it’s because I have avoided Radiohead’s catalogue all year, but I really enjoyed it so much, which was the whole point of starving myself. I also enjoyed “Planet Telex”, which I’d grown bored with a few months after buying “The Bends”, so that was unexpected, too. I have wanted to hear "Airbag" for a long time, but the sound was so awful that I couldn't, and I'll comment more on that in the next section. Still, we need more soft pieces, like “True Love Waits” or “How to Disappear Completely”, which I suspect Thom prefers, seeing as how most of his covers are things like Portishead’s “The Rip” and Bjork’s “Unravel”.

The venue: Molson Amphitheater
The sound traveled poorly to the 300s section seating, and was the single biggest reason I didn't enjoy myself as much as I did in Montreal. I noticed this during Grizzly Bear, too. The sound closer to the stage –effectively the equivalent of the middle of the pit at this show – in Montreal was amazing from both bands, but Radiohead really blew me away. Faust ARP and Reckoner sounded exactly as they do on the record. Maybe it was the crappy speakers, but the sound shouldn’t have sounded so muddy; it was hard to tell instruments apart; things were more muffled. The vocals especially were hard to make out. Very disappointed here. Also, Montreal’s Parc Jean Drapeau actually had nice big side screens; they were much smaller here. I’d strongly encourage Radiohead to play an arena next time, especially for the following reasons.

It took forever to get to the venue. The streetcar operator was of little help. I remember it being a 2-minute walk from the stop to see The Cure in 2004 at this very venue; this time it took at least 15 minutes to even get there. Also, even though it was 7:35 and the doors had long opened, the idiots at the venue intentionally understaffed things so they could have 2 lines: a regular line and a Rogers cell phone owner’s line; why speed things up if you want to prove that Rogers customers get a better deal? Shameful of both the venue for going along with this deal and Rogers for instigating it; I’ve been a Rogers customer since 2003 and I’m gonna call and complain about this. Radiohead would not approve! Also, I’ve never known it to take a long time to enter a venue whose doors opened hours ago – at 5:30 pm. I had to wait another 10 to 15 minutes. By the time I arrived at my seat, Grizzly Bear had nearly finished their second-to-last song. Radiohead also didn’t let me take in my bottle of water; the security woman said Radiohead changed the bottle of water allowance. At least the venue let me keep my sandwich, though.

The audience

People need to shut up during songs. In general the audience too often screamed for the first 30 seconds of every song. If you're excited, great! I am, too, so shut up so we can all hear. The vast majority of people were quiet, but a concert experience can be ruined by just one audible voice or, in this case, 20 or so. My sense is also that alcohol and marijuana tend to make people more likely to behave selfishly and in an unruly fashion. Bring on the prohibition; even if it didn’t work completely, it drove down consumption. If people are stressed out and burying their feelings in drugs and alcohol, that’s not good for society, and it’s certainly not good if they make a ton of noise during songs at a concert.

Making noise/talking during songs.

This one guy kept going, "whoo" nearly every single minute during the songs. Also this really annoying girl behind me kept doing it too, and she had the most ear-piercing screech. She mostly stopped after I asked her quite politely about 3 times. Then another girl in front of me to the side kept speaking during some of the songs. After she talked throughout the entirety of "Nude", I tapped her on the shoulder and asked her kindly to stop; she did. I don't care what people do between songs, but it really ruins hearing the full depth of the actual differences of a live performance. This is why it's okay to make noise at a party, but not at a once-in-a-lifetime event that won't sound like any other. You can replay a record; you can't do that with a live performance. Why waste all that time and energy getting hard-to-come-by tickets, if you're gonna talk crap. Do that afterward or even between songs, but not during them. It was bad enough people talked during Grizzly Bear, who I'm liking more and more (since having bought their latest albums a few weeks ago) and who are excellent and talented performers.

Why it's immoral to go "whoo" during songs.
The thing that really bothers me about these people is that their entire ethos is based on selfish hypocrisy. They would never shout "whoo" alone at home. It is an action that is entirely dependent on the company of others and perhaps the band. Thom at least has the sense to speak out against this, rightfully calling someone a “cunt” for this kind of behavior. Furthermore, if everyone behaved as they did, no one would be able to hear a thing. In fact, I'd wager they'd be less inclined to go "whoo" if more people did it because they couldn't then stand out in the crowd. It's all about making it about themselves and being noticed -- injecting their personality into the atmosphere in a very disturbing way. It's also tremendously cliche and superficial because they do it because everyone else does. It's like the people who cause a commotion upon hearing the "No Surprises" line "Bring down the government, they don't speak for us." I seriously doubt most of these Canadians have a strong ideological dislike for the conservative Harper government and more likely they're trying to copy American and British audiences' reactions, which Radiohead has observed.

The girl behind me whom I had asked to please stop screaming during songs told me, when I asked the guy behind me to the left to stop doing the same, "chill out!" It’s as though I were over-reacting and was out of place – that I was intolerant. The problem is that I was not upset at them doing whatever they wanted as long as it didn't infringe on the listening and viewing experience that is the right of all and, as I was especially concerned, myself. I wanted to tell her that her way of supposedly enjoying the concert by screaming during songs, if practiced by every member of the crowd, would lead to a miserable listening experience. Her and the other guy's very actions are essentially based in hypocrisy; they want the right to shout but are probably thankful every single other person isn't doing it because it probably wouldn't be timed right and would simply lead to a wall of "whoo" noise. No Radiohead, just screams. It's also based on trying to emulate formulaic obnoxious behavior and not at all about genuine relaxation or showing respect for the band. Under the guise of rebellion and letting loose, this behavior is actually practiced to be self-consciously cool and force on others a party atmosphere -- which is really the most uncool, rehearsed, and disrespectful thing to do. It's not about the music. Subtlety of the listening experience must mean nothing to these people. I think it's important that everyone behave in a fashion that every one can have an equal experience. If these "whoo"ers are shouting it is not in the spirit of wanting others to do it as much as them, and in fact is based in having a monopoly on shouting; they want the right to shout constantly, but not so much that they can't hear their favorite notes. This is uncivilized, unequal behavior.

On the other hand, while my attitude may seem stiff and party-pooping, it is actually based in restraint so every one may enjoy the concert equally. Classical music fans have it right when they make it about the music. People are quiet and they really appreciate the art for what it is. It's not about inserting your obnoxious behavior to be noticed. It's really the ultimate expression of love and respect for the artist and the art. The only people who don't go to classical music concerts for the art are tourists and posers. You can always spot them because they rush to clap before the piece is even finished -- hmmm, kinda like the obnoxious people at Radiohead concerts who go "whoo". It's a common misperception in pop culture that classical music audiences are boring in their robotic unresponsiveness. Quite the opposite; people like my mother and big brother are passionate about the music; they're demanding listeners who pick up on all kinds of subtleties. They are still and may look bored and inactive to the superficial observer because they are listening intently and focus their energy on this objective. They don't get caught up in the cult of personalities in which pop/rock audiences get caught, and can be disappointed in the performances of pianists they've admired for years if they don't perform well. They would never tolerate obnoxious behavior from other audience members trying to get attention. The real mindless automatons are the obnoxious, phony, supposedly “down to earth” people I'm exposing.

If everyone behaves as I do, listening quietly, perhaps allowing some genuine expression of surprise -- a "yes!" upon hearing a favorite song or a gasp upon being shocked by something -- and not just shouting or waving arms to be noticed or holding up cameras high so the person behind can't see well, then we'd all enjoy ourselves. I love to sing at home to Radiohead, but I hold it back both to allow others to hear and because I genuinely want to hear Thom's voice and the band's music in all its range. I also would like to be able to record everything, but, since it will obstruct another’s view, I try to either not do so or to keep the camera tight against my chest or in front of my face. I don't care what they do outside of the concert, but I didn't spend money and especially energy getting these tickets to hear them. It's really about respect, in the end. They didn't show any, and I showed plenty in asking them to stop with definite restraint and slowly increasing firmness.

Respecting people's view.
Another problem I had was a guy in front of me who stopped at some seats that weren't his with his girlfriend, which was fine because I could see over her head. However, 3 fifths of the way through the concert, he and she left for several songs and then came back during the encore, during which time some folks edged into his prior space. So he (the super tall guy that he is who obviously took seats that weren't his so he could have a great view) now stood in such a way that he kept blocking my view. Every time I leaned to one side, he'd change his weight every 45 seconds and block my view again. I had to ask this guy twice, and he was a dick about it. "I don't know, man, it's a rock concert." That's a bullshit excuse for standing in front of someone because you don't have the guts to take your seat or ask the others near you to move. It's also bullshit because being able to see obviously mattered to this guy, otherwise he wouldn't take up seats that weren't his; similarly, given he has an amazing view no matter how he stands, he should at least accommodate my view by staying still. He was the one who changed positions from his original seat, not me. I hate it when people only think about themselves and use the most narcissistic reasoning to justify their rudeness and total disregard for other people's rights. Yeah, I know; it's not legally a right, but a civilized society shouldn't have to regulate everything. Scalping isn't illegal, either, but it's still wrong.

In conclusion.
If people act with a little decency and responsibility, then we can all have a great time. There’s no need to be selfishly obnoxious and then blame me for ruining their party when I stand up for my rights. A few weeks ago, I was watching a documentary on the life of Gonzo journalist Hunter S. Thompson. This girl who was obviously high or drunk or something (she seemed in a hallucinatory, sleepy state anyway) sat near me, and proceeded over the next hour and a half to “whoo” and talk in a drugged haze every few minutes; she seemed positively shocked and heart-broken at Nixon winning the 1968 US election, for example, which was hardly a revelation; I asked her to “please keep it down” after enduring an hour of this, and she slurred something at me.

Most will find her behavior shocking because this was out of the ordinary. People don’t accept this kind of behavior in a cinema, unless it’s in an inner American city, from what I’ve heard. Yet, one can at least see a movie or documentary over again, and it will be exactly the same experience. The same cannot be said of a live concert. So, it’s even more important for people to enjoy themselves in such a way that we can all enjoy it equally – liberally, but without infringing on the rights of others. I feel strongly about this issue and I hope many of you who feel the same will help me try to change the culture of Radiohead concerts so we can all have genuine enjoyment of the music in peace and harmony.
either you copied and pasted this from someone else that i know, or you're a very famous atease poster...

seriously, i never realised you posted there. good stuff.

did thom say "cool beans" at any point?
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For fuck's sake.......maybe you can send this novella to Thom Yorke and ask him to schedule a stop in your backyard next time they tour.
The acoustics wouldn't be good enough.
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Radiohead must think Like Spinning Plates works well in rainy situations. They're probably right, although the piano version works well in ANY situation because it's .

Good set, though there's a bit too much HTTT there and not nearly enough OK Computer for my tastes. Seriously, 3 songs? Come on, guys, it's your best album.
they played the bends and ok computer to death during the ok computer and kid a tent tour, i'm not surprised they're sick of playing them. they do alternate a lot of those songs pretty frequently, though.
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So...the show. We had a good time despite being literally soaked to the skin for the entire show. My daughter was absolutely thrilled with the setlist, and that they played Pyramid Song, her current favourite song by them.

Highlights for me were Morning Bell, Idioteque, Pyramid Song, Airbag, a bunch from In Rainbows including 15 Steps, Bodysnatchers, Nude, Videotape and House of Cards (they played it, so I didn't have to cut a bitch after all). I was kind of disappointed that they didn't play The National Anthem, Paranoid Android, Karma Police, and some of their better known stuff, but not too disappointed. I know that they're one of those bands who don't do greatest hits shows. Near the end of the show when it became clear they probably wouldn't play some of the songs I wanted them to, my daughter said to me "you've withstood being wet for hours, miles of walking [blisters today!], rushing for trains, traffic, all for a band you're not really a fan of...I feel like running to the stage and saying "could you please play a song or two for my mom?"" I think she was worried I wouldn't have a good time, but I did. I'm just sorry that I waited so long to delve into their catalogue. One week isn't nearly enough to get to know the material properly. I'm sure that if I'd done so before, I would have had an even better time.

As for the crowd, it was mellow, but seemed appreciative enough. This being my first Radiohead show, I can't say for sure, but they don't strike me as the kind of band that would elicit wild reactions - the whole vibe was a lot more chill than that. And, I'd say the audience was primarily made up of people in the 25 to 35 yr old range, I didn't see that many teens there at all. The sound wasn't the best, but in my experience, it never is at that venue.

Oh yeah! One of the coolest things EVER! When we were walking through the Ex grounds to get to Ontario Place/The Molson Amphitheatre, the sky lightened a little behind us, and we saw not one but two full rainbows in the sky, where you could vividly see the entire arch of both rainbows. It was cool, and rather fitting.
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For fuck's sake.......maybe you can send this novella to Thom Yorke and ask him to schedule a stop in your backyard next time they tour.

great idea...
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I'm sorry I go "whoo" during concerts.
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So it was you who ruined the entire show for the other 19,999 of us.



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Maybe it was Christian's whooing that annoyed people...that guy really can't do a concert scream
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You must have a lot of free time on your hands Muldy.

"If Yoda fucked Thom Yorke" made me laugh
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It's supposed to rain tonight but I don't care

oh yeah and one more thing:
waiting for your review
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yes, god damn it.. where is elfa's review...
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Dear Elfa the dog-headed snake/rat:

A lot of people here want to see your review.

I know that you do not post on the weekends, though, so I expect that in 12 hours from now, said review will be posted.

That is all for now.

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He mentioned he was going to Penn for the weekend, after the show. Wtf? Does anyone even go there willingly? I'm suspicious.
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