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Old 03-06-2013, 10:25 PM   #931
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Green is their worst album up to Reveal.
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Still a number of great songs on it.
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Old 03-06-2013, 11:30 PM   #933
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Green is their worst album up to Reveal.

Up was worse.
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As a full album and not just select songs, I'd rather listen to Green than Out of Time.
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Green is their worst album up to Reveal.
Hmm I'm not sure about a definite statement like that. But Green is indeed a dip in the graph if one tries to plot their discography. Compared to Fables, Lifes Rich Pageant, Document, Out Of Time, Automatic and New Adventures, I would say that Green is certainly weaker. Maybe even Up. I have a personal attachment with Up. But I can acknowledge that it is uneven just like Green.

I know that Murmur and Reckoning are really respected over here and I do like them a lot, esp. Murmur. But they're not in my top tier. Maybe it has something to do with Stipe's mumbling.
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Along with Out of Time, yes.

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If by worse you mean so vastly superior, then yes. Otherwise, absolutely not.
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It seems I'm one of the few here who doesn't have a high opinion of Up. It's certainly not bad, but I find it hard to ignore what a massive drop in quality and consistency it is from New Adventures. Up very much sounds to me like a band who has lost a major part of its identity.
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I'd argue that they had some short-term inspiration precisely because of the loss of that major part of identity. Once the trauma of losing a band member and a fellow songwriter was gone or the shock had eased down and they started to get comfortable again, they've plummeted into mediocrity.

The same thing happened with Depeche Mode. I think that losing Alan Wilder and everything else that went behind the scenes after Songs of Faith and Devotion did provide inspiration for a great record called Ultra, after which they never made a good album again.
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It seems I'm one of the few here who doesn't have a high opinion of Up. It's certainly not bad, but I find it hard to ignore what a massive drop in quality and consistency it is from New Adventures. Up very much sounds to me like a band who has lost a major part of its identity.
I don't hate or dislike Up. I just believe it is a notch below Green. I agree with your statement about losing a major part of their identity. I think its name was Bill Berry. Reveal is another album that takes a beating here, but I think its alright. I listened to it a lot when it first came out in 2001, so it's slotted in my personal soundtrack there for life just like Up is for 1998. Green came out when I was first starting to get into REM. A good friend of mine used to crank REM in his car constantly, so we couldn't avoid listening to it.
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I'd argue that they had some short-term inspiration precisely because of the loss of that major part of identity. Once the trauma of losing a band member and a fellow songwriter was gone or the shock had eased down and they started to get comfortable again, they've plummeted into mediocrity.
Exactly. They knew they didn't have a drummer, so instead of trying to replace him they looked to other options in terms of percussion sounds, and were temporarily inspired in their thinking outside the box.

When they settled back into making a more "organic" album like Reveal, the authenticity of Berry (not to mention his insistence on songs having good melodic hooks) was sorely missed.

And the Depeche Mode comparison is apt as well.
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The analogy with R.E.M. and DM is not exact per se, but I can think of another band that has plummeted into mediocrity once they got back to a more organic sound and got really comfortable with it...
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the analogy with r.e.m. And dm is not exact per se, but i can think of another band that has plummeted into mediocrity once they got back to a more organic sound and got really comfortable with it...
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I'd argue that they had some short-term inspiration precisely because of the loss of that major part of identity. Once the trauma of losing a band member and a fellow songwriter was gone or the shock had eased down and they started to get comfortable again, they've plummeted into mediocrity.

The same thing happened with Depeche Mode. I think that losing Alan Wilder and everything else that went behind the scenes after Songs of Faith and Devotion did provide inspiration for a great record called Ultra, after which they never made a good album again.
Ultra is an awesome album. I really love it.
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