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Old 10-22-2011, 08:38 PM   #556
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Bill Berry got custody of it when they split.
His monobrow ate it.
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I hear he added it to the compost pile on his farm. Made for some good mulch.
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Oh, and "Nightswimming" is still one of the most serenely beautiful things that I have ever heard.
Fuck yeah, man.

What a gorgeous song.
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Listening to Nightswimming last night, I realized how much I'm going to miss these guys. There were tears. Even though I became a fan during the shittiest part of their career (2004-2005), their music was an integral part of my adolescence and I can totally picture myself waxing philosophical about Murmur and Automatic For The People when I'm 60. It's just a testament to how timeless their best work remains.
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Not quite like that, more
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Old 10-23-2011, 04:59 PM   #562
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Having just listened to the albums from New Adventures through Reveal today, it seems to me as though the band just completely forgot how to edit themselves. Each of those albums has several excellent songs, but also is ten to fifteen minutes too long. Why songs like "Be Mine" and "I'll Take the Rain" need to linger for nearly six minutes is beyond me, but in general this stretch of albums is far stronger than I remember it being - especially Up.
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Shut up, Be Mine is transcendent. Is there something wrong with riding a wave of elation for longer than the pop song 4-minute standard?

You probably would have complained about the outro of Hey Jude back in 1968.
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Having just listened to the albums from New Adventures through Reveal today, it seems to me as though the band just completely forgot how to edit themselves. Each of those albums has several excellent songs, but also is ten to fifteen minutes too long. Why songs like "Be Mine" and "I'll Take the Rain" need to linger for nearly six minutes is beyond me, but in general this stretch of albums is far stronger than I remember it being - especially Up.
That's probably true to some extent, but for me the main problem (besides the decline in the quality of Stipe's timbre) is the over-production. It was probably fine to indulge in it once (with Up), but then they just kept wrapping all their songs in super-soft, endlessly layered, glossy production that robbed some good tunes of all vitality.

Of course, I think everything is over-produced. The kind of sound I like is lots of reverb from a hand-held $20 cassette recorder.
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That's true, but I don't think Accelerate is guilty of overproduction, nor is Collapse Into Now for the most part.

But Up-Reveal-Around the Sun all in a row was definitely overkill.
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Numbers can't be referring to New Adventures there. I mean, he could, but I would certainly hope not.

I don't think anyone would complain about the production on Reveal and Around The Sun if the songwriting was better. M83 isn't copping any shit for Hurry Up, We're Dreaming.
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Numbers can't be referring to New Adventures there. I mean, he could, but I would certainly hope not.
No, I'm not. I meant starting with Up in 1998 or 1999 or whenever.

New Adventures is produced by Scott Litt and is wonderfully (sometimes roughly) recorded.

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There's definitely a case for Scott Litt being almost as crucial to the band's success as Bill Berry.

While as you said, Up was good because the overproduction was new to them (and they were clearly trying to fill a void left by Berry), they went too far down the rabbit hole on the next two albums.
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The best proof they had a sense of humor before AB.


How drunk must Hedge have been? Unreal.
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