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Old 09-29-2011, 01:48 AM   #361
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One nice thing about R.E.M. is that their releases were very consistent from 1983 to 1996 (or even later). So, I don't really care which album is "the best", I just enjoy the catalogue.
This. This. This.

I will argue for Eponymous, but really, I can pop in any CD of that era and be happy.
(Well, no I can't because they are on my iPod now and the CDs boxed-up in my basement.)
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:02 AM   #364
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Old 09-29-2011, 11:22 AM   #365
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Here are a few boxscores from R.E.M.'s tour in 2008 which is now their final tour.

May 31, June 1, 2008
Berkeley California
Hearst Greek Theatre
GROSS: $829,239
ATTENDANCE: 14,600
SHOWS: 2
SELLOUTS: 2
Average Ticket Price: $56.80

June 19, 2008
New York, New York
Madison Square Garden
GROSS: $941,347
ATTENDANCE: 13,446
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $70.01

June 21, 2008
Atlanta Georgia
Lakewood Amphitheatre
GROSS: $702,555
ATTENDANCE: 13,317
CAPACITY: 18,849
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 0
Average Ticket Price: $52.76
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Ok, see if you can find out what's wrong with your boxscores.
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What's wrong with them is that they're being posted.
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What's wrong with them is that they're being posted.
Well, that too. Obviously the dates and shows are wrong as well.
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Here is the set list for what has become R.E.M.'s last concert ever. (provided they don't do a reunion tour)

18 November 2008 - Auditorio Nacional, Mexico City, Mexico
support: Los Concorde
set: Living Well Is The Best Revenge / I Took Your Name / What's The Frequency, Kenneth? / Fall On Me / Drive / Man-Sized Wreath / Ignoreland / Disturbance At The Heron House / Hollow Man / Imitation Of Life / Electrolite / The Great Beyond / Everybody Hurts / The One I Love / Find The River / Let Me In / Bad Day / Horse To Water / Orange Crush / It's The End Of The World As We Know It (And I Feel Fine)
encore: Supernatural Superserious / Losing My Religion / I Believe / Country Feedback / Life And How To Live It / Man On The Moon
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Ok, see if you can find out what's wrong with your boxscores.
Is that better for you?
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What's wrong with them is that they're being posted.
Oh no, is that a crime?
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Is that better for you?
Not even close. They didn't play the Garden in 2011. And if MSG were sold out, the attendance wouldn't be 13,000 plus. It would be closer to 20,000 in attendance.


Plus, obviously, the dates are wrong anyway.
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Not even close. They didn't play the Garden in 2011. And if MSG were sold out, the attendance wouldn't be 13,000 plus. It would be closer to 20,000 in attendance.


Plus, obviously, the dates are wrong anyway.
Um, did you look at the boxscores again? The 2011 dates were corrected to 2008.

A concert is marked as soldout on Billboard Boxscores Boxscore chart IF the number of tickets put on sell to the public are all sold. Does not matter if its 2,000 , 5,000 or 20,000, as long as all the tickets that were released to be sold to the public are sold, it is marked as a sellout. It does not matter if there are 5,000 empty seats in the venue. This is the official way it has been done since Amusement Business and Billboard began tracking the concert industry in 1976.

The dates are correct. R.E.M. played the Garden on June 19 and Lakewood on June 21, as well as Berkeley theater on May 31 and June 1.

But if you think I'm making this up, you can go here Music News, Reviews, Articles, Information, News Online & Free Music | Billboard.com . Go to the July 19, 2008 issue of Billboard and scroll down to the blue boxscore chart. The Garden and Berkley shows are near the bottom. The August 2, 2008 issue has the Lakewood show.

For the Madison Square Garden show, R.E.M. probably did not use behind stage seating which is normal. Attendance probably should have been 14,000 for every physical seat to have been sold in that configeration, but again, its not the number of seats filled in the venue which counts towards a sellout, but the number of tickets released to the public which are sold. Any tickets held back or not printed up don't count in measuring whether the show is soldout or not. Thats the way the industry has done it since 1976.

The Cure actually played Madison Square Garden the day after R.E.M. . Here is how they did with their boxscore:

The Cure
June 20, 2008
New York, New York
Madison Square Garden
GROSS: $808,014
ATTENDANCE: 13,486
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $59.92

Very similar to R.E.M.'s show except the Cure charged less for tickets. The number of tickets they released was also 40 more than R.E.M. and all were sold to the public achieving in industry terms what is considered a "sellout".

Oh and here is Iron Maiden 4 days before R.E.M. at the Garden.

Iron Maiden
June 15, 2008
New York, New York
Madison Square Garden
GROSS: $906,003
ATTENDANCE: 13,766
SHOWS: 1
SELLOUTS: 1
Average Ticket Price: $65.82
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statistics are great. bend them to say whatever you want, but someone can always just interpret them as the exact opposite to prove their point using the same numbers. the bible is fun like that, too. of course, in order to know what that point is, i'd have to actually read those posts. now where is the ignore feature?
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