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Old 08-16-2015, 10:08 PM   #691
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I've always loved the ending of Dogs. So epic. Although, and this is a fail on my part, I always thought it was Gilmour singing it.


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It's a really subtle and very well done changeover of vocalists - on the studio version, everything before the synth break is Gilmour and everything after is Waters, whereas live Waters only sang the final verse.

(The Wikipedia article goes into an almost obsessive level of detail about how that song was put together. It's neat.)

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I've come across the remasters on Spotify and listening to other tracks now, like Raving & Drooling and You Gotta Be Crazy, which turned into Sheep and Dogs respectively. They're both great but did improve when finally released, in particular lyrically. Also Dogs doesn't feature Gilmour rapping, which is a positive.
Sorry, Gilmour rapping? Hahaha, fuck. Now I have to go and check out those remasters!

Also, the ending to Sheep contrasts from Dogs in such an effective manner - it's such an obvious, cliche guitar line, but it works so well in the context of that song. Triumphant in the best way.

(...even though it's lyrically just as bleak as Dogs or Pigs.)
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Old 08-17-2015, 07:16 AM   #692
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Hearing Animals for the first time was the precise moment when Gilmour became one of my favorite guitarists of all time. The material is great, but his guitar heroics elevate it intensely. He carries that record and doesn't even have to.

I feel the same way about Steve Howe and a number of Yes records. Fragile and Close to the Edge are amazing by all accounts, but Howe's guitar work is fucking incredible and rewards close attention. Every run is captivating in its own way.
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Now that's a face in dire need of a punch.

Anyway, thewallanalysis.com is a fun read.
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Does anyone else not rank The Wall that highly in the PF catalog? There's at least five records I'd rank above it. I think it has a number of great tracks but that it is longer than its concept and narrative requires.

Also, if I were to put myself into one of the camps that Floyd fans often do, I'd be what you'd call a 'Gilmour guy' - as with Travis, Gilmour is one of my favorite guitarists, one of my top three ever, actually - and I feel like his brand of majestic, epic, sprawling playing, such a huge part of what made Floyd Floyd, is much too absent from The Wall, which is obviously a Waters-dominant work. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a track on the record on which Gilmour really sounds like Gilmour other than Comfortably Numb, which is of course a classic. In The Flesh, Hey You, Goodbye Blue Sky, and Another Brick In The Wall are also tracks that I love, but they're cut from a different cloth than the aforementioned track.

AMLOR and Division Bell aren't perfect, but I think, overall, I'd rather have Gilmour doing what he does best without Roger's more incisive songwriting and emphasis on concept than the other way around.

They are, of course, at their best when working together, as in everything from AHM through Animals.




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They were pretty fractious around the time of Animals, though, I'm pretty sure.

But yes I rank The Wall last of what I've heard. Still great, but the music is at times overshadowed as Waters and Ezrin's story takes the precedence.


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The Wall is an admirable, angsty and mostly very listenable experience. There are a LOT of people that dislike it, but I'm firmly in the camp of "very good, but they've done better." It's lacking balance between the bile of Waters and the melodic warmth of Gilmour, as you alluded.

Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals I would all rank over The Wall. If someone put Piper ahead of it as well, I wouldn't protest. The Wall's staggering highs and impressive structure set it ahead of the rest.
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They were pretty fractious around the time of Animals, though, I'm pretty sure.

But yes I rank The Wall last of what I've heard. Still great, but the music is at times overshadowed as Waters and Ezrin's story takes the precedence.


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Oh, I'm sure they were already having problems during Animals, but just in terms of creative contributions, I think they were still fairly equal. The Wall and The Final Cut are often thought of as Waters solo records, but I was surprised to see some people(not here, elsewhere) saying that Animals was also in that category, because that makes no sense to me. Gilmour's presence on that record is orders of magnitude greater than on the subsequent two records.


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The Wall is an admirable, angsty and mostly very listenable experience. There are a LOT of people that dislike it, but I'm firmly in the camp of "very good, but they've done better." It's lacking balance between the bile of Waters and the melodic warmth of Gilmour, as you alluded.

Meddle, Dark Side, Wish You Were Here and Animals I would all rank over The Wall. If someone put Piper ahead of it as well, I wouldn't protest. The Wall's staggering highs and impressive structure set it ahead of the rest.

I agree that those four are over it, but I think I'd also take Atom Heart Mother(the suite is polarizing but it's one of my favorite Floyd tracks) over it and maybe even one of the two post-Waters records.


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The Wall and The Final Cut are the two worst PF albums.
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I have a soft spot for AHM but it's just a notch lesser. The title track has its uninteresting sections and If is far too long for what it is. Summer '68 is fucking incredible.

AMLOR is easily the worst PF album. When I heard Dogs of War for the first time, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.
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I have a soft spot for AHM but it's just a notch lesser. The title track has its uninteresting sections and If is far too long for what it is. Summer '68 is fucking incredible.

AMLOR is easily the worst PF album. When I heard Dogs of War for the first time, I couldn't believe what I was hearing.

It's inconsistent but On The Turning Away is incredible and Learning To Fly and Sorrow are good as well. But OTTA is worth the price of the album for me and single-handedly lifts it above The Final Cut.

And the only uninteresting part of AHM(the track) for me is the section where it's just random noises. They could've cut that three minutes out and not lost anything. I had the same thought about If being two minutes too long when I was listening to it earlier today.


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The Wall suffers from very serious double album syndrome.

Alan's Psychedelic Breakfast is tremendous.
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Oh, I'm sure they were already having problems during Animals, but just in terms of creative contributions, I think they were still fairly equal. The Wall and The Final Cut are often thought of as Waters solo records, but I was surprised to see some people(not here, elsewhere) saying that Animals was also in that category, because that makes no sense to me. Gilmour's presence on that record is orders of magnitude greater than on the subsequent two records.


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Yes.

I like Wright more than Waters too.
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I love Rick Wright. I need to listen to one of his solo records.

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