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Old 01-30-2014, 02:18 AM   #211
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I mean, every Pavement/SM album has a couple songs that rock out but they haven't really eased off too much. Real Emotional Trash is real psych rock/jammy but not super hard.

Anyway, this one is really growing on me. The vocal melody on Lariat is so amazing, it's a shame that the chorus doesn't match it.

Mirror Traffic was a bit of a disappointment to me. I want to say this album is a bit more consistent, even if the last one has more peaks? I dunno.
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Maybe it's just because I've heard Real Emotional Trash most that I had that idea set in my head.
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Old 02-02-2014, 01:11 PM   #213
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I mean, every Pavement/SM album has a couple songs that rock out but they haven't really eased off too much. Real Emotional Trash is real psych rock/jammy but not super hard.

Anyway, this one is really growing on me. The vocal melody on Lariat is so amazing, it's a shame that the chorus doesn't match it.

Mirror Traffic was a bit of a disappointment to me. I want to say this album is a bit more consistent, even if the last one has more peaks? I dunno.
It's growing on me too. I liked it a lot right away, but right now it's in the top half of Pavement/Jicks for me.

The melody on Lariat is indeed amazing. I can't listen to this record if I have to get up early the next day because it gets stuck in my head and won't let me sleep. The chorus doesn't really fit, it's weird that they went with it. The awkwardness of it accentuates the beauty of the verse though, so maybe that was the idea.

When Mirror Traffic came out I was really disappointed because it wasn't jammy at all (I love Malkmus' guitar playing, he's one of my faves) but I've come around to it. I agree that the new one is more consistent while Mirror Traffic had more highs.

Houston Hades and Chartjunk are slaying me right now. The end of Houston is brilliant.

Stephen Malkmus is the most consistent artist in music history. The closest he's ever come to a dud was Terror Twilight, and it still has some great songs. The main problem with that one is the reverb on everything. I love every other record he's made.
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Old 02-03-2014, 04:19 AM   #214
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The main problem with that one is the reverb on everything.
Yeah, I don't know what made them think Nigel Godrich would be a good match. There's little immediacy on that record, which is where a lot of the band's charm stems from. Weird album.
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:22 AM   #215
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Yeah, I don't know what made them think Nigel Godrich would be a good match. There's little immediacy on that record, which is where a lot of the band's charm stems from. Weird album.
Yeah, there's a lot of immediacy in Pavement, with the ad libbed vocals and music. And everything was always very clear. They weren't adverse to reverb on certain instruments at times, but generally the music was quite dry and clear.

I think Godrich would be a good match for the Jicks, but it was a bit of a disaster for Pavement.

Have you heard the original version of The Hexx? Imagine what Terror Twilight could have been! The TT version of that song is a blunder of Corgan-esque proportions.
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I wouldn't call it a "disaster". And I love both versions of The Hexx.

I remember getting an advance cassette from work right before TT came out, we had a hammock on our back porch. I put on a walkman and just drifted away. Beautiful swan song.

I'll repost this brief capsule from The Dean, who I think is spot-on in this case:

Terror Twilight [Matador, 1999]
Since I was fooled myself until I saw them live and knew every riff, I'm wondering why some believe there are no songs here. Probably the explanation is tempo. There's never that frantic hang-on-for-your-life moment when you either pay attention or embrace brain death--when you engage at gunpoint. And though the music seems stitched together rather than wound tight, it's never in any apparent danger of falling apart; it isn't riven or driven by internal contradictions. Thus, too much meaning is left up to the words. But that's not the same as the songs not being there--or as the meanings not being there either. A-
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Old 02-04-2014, 11:50 AM   #217
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I like them both too, but I'd give the TT version 7.5, while the original is a 10.

The Dean...does he know that Dean's don't grade? He's more like the TA.

He's right, though. The songs are there, and they lyrics are great (as always). I just find it a bit draining to listen to, which is odd because I love reverb and effects driven music. Just not with Pavement, I guess.

Have you heard the Brighten the Corners reissue?
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Old 02-04-2014, 01:27 PM   #218
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I've heard everything. Own almost every single as well, saw them like 10 times pre-reunion.

My favorite band until they broke up.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:11 PM   #219
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Nice! I was just a bit too young to see them the first time around but the reunion show was one of the best I've seen.

The BtC reissue was shockingly good. I like the album a lot, but there was so much amazing stuff left over. It could have been a real double album. It's not my favorite Pavement album but of all the reissues I think it has the best bonus tracks. I think the Pavement reissues are the best of any band. They're so good.

It would be nice if Malkmus records got the same treatment, but since they don't sell or have any cultural weight I doubt that will happen. According to Malkmus, Mirror Traffic only sold 30,000 copies. That's absurdly low.
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I have somehow lived twenty years and been a huge music fan for at least seven, and have only just recently discovered Pavement. I now realize this is a fucking travesty that I waited so long. So far, I've only bought Wowee Zowee and listened to some of the more popular singles ("Cut Your Hair," "Gold Soundz," etc.) and have loved every bit of it. Any suggestions on where to go next?
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Crooked Rain. Terrific album.
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Crooked Rain. Then Pig Lib, which he recorded with the Jicks (tied with Wowee Zowee as my favorite). It's a psych folk/prog-via-Television album that's endlessly fascinating and fun. The guitar playing is stellar.

Face the Truth (a very diverse record with incredible lyrics), and Real Emotional Trash (long epic jams) are also great. His solo stuff is vastly underappreciated and it's all part of one train. He played everything but drums on the Pavement records, so it was basically already a solo project.




This one is from a few months before they recorded Real Emotional Trash and features most of the songs and the best version of Malkmus' best song, It Kills. Janet Weiss from Sleater Kinney is on the drums and it's pretty heavy.

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Toronto, 2003. They play most of Pig Lib, and they're better than the album. Awesome stuff.

Brighten the Corners is great but fairly mellow and lacking in the improvised zaniness of Wowee Zowee, so if you're really into that it might not be your favorite. It is really good though, and the bonus tracks on the reissue are amazing.

Slanted and Enchanted is perfect, but it may as well be by a different band. It sounds nothing like what they did later. It has my all-time favorite Pavement track, In The Mouth A Desert.

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Really, you can't go wrong with anything he's recorded, though Terror Twilight and Stephen Malkmus are slighly less good. The former was produced by Nigel Goderich and has a sheen that doesn't fit Pavement at all, but the songs are mostly very good, if a bit flat. SM is a collection of solid pop songs, but it's a bit basic. It does have Church on White though, which is devastating. A very un-Malkmus trait, that, which makes it all the more powerful.

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I finally heard Pig Lib today. I was listening to Maggot Brain and decided it was the right thing to follow it up with since it's supposedly such a jam record. Gotta say, it's probably my third favorite of his solo works (behind the self-titled and Real Emotional Trash) and a good distance ahead of the last two. Surprisingly good songwriting, better than I was expecting based on the descriptions. Yeah, the instrumentation is very strong, but it doesn't get in the way of the songs. Witch Mountain Bridge and 1% of One are major highlights, but only Dark Wave was weak.

The only Malkmus-related album I haven't heard yet is Face the Truth.
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Crooked Rain. Then Pig Lib, which he recorded with the Jicks (tied with Wowee Zowee as my favorite).

Not sure why anyone would suggest listening to solo SM before finishing off the rest of Pavement.

If you loved Wowee Zowee, you're pretty much down for anything. I'd just take it back to Slanted & Enchanted and move chronologically ahead.

As far as Jicks are concerned, Face The Truth is probably my least favorite, though it does have a handful of major standouts.

Pig Lib is tied with Real Emotional Trash for my favorite because they're the jammiest have have the most guitar solos. 1% of 1 might be indulgent or whatever (you can just picture the Pitchfork assholes cringing in disgust) but there is some insanely good playing in there. The self-titled has more notable "songs" and is impressively eclectic but aside from Church On White it's pretty weak in the guitar department.

1. Pig Lib
2. Real Emotional Trash

3. S/T

4. Wig Out At Jagbags
5. Mirror Traffic
6. Face The Truth

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He played everything but drums on the Pavement records, so it was basically already a solo project.
I don't know where you're getting this from but that's complete bullshit.
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Thanks for the recommendations, people. Decided to move on to Crooked Rain. Fucking amazing. I prefer it over Wowee Zowee after the first few listens. That initial run from "Silent Kid" all the way through "Gold Soundz" is really close to flawless. Other than the obvious singles, I'm really feeling "Elevate Me Later" and "Stop Breathin."
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