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Old 06-17-2015, 10:09 AM   #61
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it's ten times the song The Gloaming is.
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I think "Year Of The Tiger" off Strange Mercy is a particularly underwhelming ending to that album...but "Hysterical Strength", while a good song, is also not a closer.

Catherine Wheel's Ferment is also a song too long, too.
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I'll agree with that. Strange Mercy is incredible but it ends with a bit of a whimper.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:28 AM   #64
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Yeah I'm actually believe it or not siding with djerdap on this one. If you don't like his whiny vocals I'm not sure how you could be a fan Although I've always been more annoyed by his refusal to finish words on Lucky. "We are standing on the eeeeeeeeee" "I feel my luck could chaaaaaaaannnn"
So often I heard that lyric as 'I feel my lock and chain'.
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A few more.

Dirty by Sonic Youth; Chapel Hill could have closed that out nicely, BUT AVANT GARDE MAN AVANT GARDE

Meat Is Murder's title track makes me laugh my ass off, not feel sad.

Eureka by Jim O'Rourke ends with a nine minute long synth dirge, which is stunning...and then there's a ninety second long snippet of another song? Weird.
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Old 06-17-2015, 10:39 AM   #66
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A few more.

Dirty by Sonic Youth; Chapel Hill could have closed that out nicely, BUT AVANT GARDE MAN AVANT GARDE

Meat Is Murder's title track makes me laugh my ass off, not feel sad.
Oh yeah, how could I forgot Dirty? Not to mention some great tracks - like Lee Ranaldo's Genetic - were left off the record to give place for such crap.

Meat is Murder makes me crave a hot dog every single time I hear it.
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Oh yeah, how could I forgot Dirty? Not to mention some great tracks - like Lee Ranaldo's Genetic - were left off the record to give place for such crap.
It's the disappointing thing about Sonic Youth - they can write really good songs, and even the weird noise jam stuff can be interesting at times, but they had no real idea of how to structure an album or write a really conclusive closer. Even Eliminator Jr. gets by on the weirdness of having a ZZ Top-like song at the end of a double album as opposed to the song being any good.
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I disagree with most of that. Eliminator Jr. is a nice fuck-off closer. They could be very, very good with closers - Expressway, The Diamond Sea, Death Valley '69, Titanium Expose... And at least half of their albums are structured very well. Dirty was a bit of a mess because it was more song-based anyway.
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I think "Year Of The Tiger" off Strange Mercy is a particularly underwhelming ending to that album...but "Hysterical Strength", while a good song, is also not a closer.
Damn, Year of the Tiger is one of my favorite SV songs, and I find it perfect as an album closer.

A few years ago, I would have said Some Girls Are Bigger Than Others is too flippant an ending to The Queen Is Dead, but now I've come to appreciate it.
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Great call. That Smiths song is totally wrong as a closer, and whoever had the idea of not ending the album with There Is A Light should be ridiculed for the rest of his life.
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Great call. That Smiths song is totally wrong as a closer, and whoever had the idea of not ending the album with There Is A Light should be ridiculed for the rest of his life.
Too bad that person didn't just die beforehand.
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Great call. That Smiths song is totally wrong as a closer, and whoever had the idea of not ending the album with There Is A Light should be ridiculed for the rest of his life.
Isn't it in keeping with The Smiths to fuck with their own material in that particular way, or perhaps more appropriately to play against expectations like that? I agree that There Is a Light would be one of the best closers ever, but it's also emblematic of the band to keep it out of that context.
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There is a Light would have been an awkward closer in my book. The fade-out is too sudden and it doesn't feel like the band is finished after reaching such an emotional apex.

Some Girls sounds like a nice enough coda, although the song as such isn't that remarkable.
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Meat is Murder certainly went on one track too long

Also, I really wish Hot Fuss ended with Midnight Show. I don't know if I ever listen to, or at least finish listening to, Everything Will Be Alright even when I'm listening to the album straight through.
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